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Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then sticks him with $1,800 bill

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Re: Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then sticks him with $1,800 bill

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You could say that jumping out of a plane without a parachute isn't dangerous, it's the ground that's dangerous. Cyclists make mistakes, make bad judgments, take big risks, just like car drivers. They are human too. You could say cyclists have a bigger incentive to avoid problems, but no driver I know wants to hit someone and injure them, and cyclists I know become inured to the risks after riding for years without i…

I don't think I've ever met a cyclist who's opposed to separated infrastructure for bikes and cars. Every local government project I've ever seen to build this kind of infrastructure runs into issues with drivers who don't think it's necessary or would somehow ruin their lives.

> I don't think I've ever met a cyclist who's opposed to separated infrastructure for bikes and cars.

Then I think you've never met a cyclist. As in actually riding a lot, not as in owning a bike and having occasionally achieved the balancing act. I know enough cyclists to hear about someone getting hit by a car multiple times a year and a large majority of those cases are getting hit in intersections (and in interactions with driveways) while traveling on "separated" bike infrastructure. Because the reality is that it's never really separated, intersections do exist. That "separated" infrastructure? It's merely out of sight out of mind for the drivers. Which would be an effective strategy if your goal was to maximize accidents. Those people who keep getting hit on separate bike lanes? They already make bike lane avoidance a factor in their route selection and yet still most of their hits happen on the small subset of their miles that are on "separated" infrastructure, not on the many, many miles done in the lane.

Yes, some separated bike infrastructure feels nice to use. And a subset of that even happens to not be inherently dangerous. But that's only where that is easy to do. Yes, on an high traffic road that is so close to limited access design that it's always miles per instead of intersections per mile, yes, a well-built bike lane is nice. Even when it's separated. But those that keep cruising side streets, driveways and the like? They are dangerous thrill courses hated by all cyclists but a tiny minority. The tiny minority that sees themselves more like pedestrians who happen to sit while while almost walking than like actual cyclists.

And yes, I know the Netherlands exist. Safety in numbers can move the threshold and the exact same bike infrastructure that would be a bone-crushing through thrill course under little use can become quite tolerable when it's used so much that "out of mind" can never happen. But until you get there, prefer building better bike infrastructure over building more. And better means about separation except where it's for beyond the slightest doubt.

Re: Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then sticks him with $1,800 bill

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That's a pretty weak example; gravity is a physical force of nature and inescapable. Cars are a political choice that we made but don't have to make. But that the comparison seems apt is pretty endemic of how cars are treated: an absolute must, as if they were a force of nature. Never mind that a huge chunk of our population can not drive, and are therefore excluded from society by cars. Car dependency is a very excl…

> Cars are a political choice that we made but don't have to make. Ambulances aren't though. Same with delivery vehicles. Public transport is, but typically one associated with less cars. All of these are both dangerous to cyclists and essential in a functioning city.

We could choose to replace all Ambulances with Hospital Helicopters. We would just have to exchange one set of tradeoffs with another, and probably realize Ambulances have their time and place, and are worth the cost.

Re: Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then sticks him with $1,800 bill

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Saying cars are a political choice assumes we live in a command and control society. Saying "we" in this context assumes you have political power.

You are free to drive any car you want on private roads.

And we can make political decisions about any non-private road

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You ignore the existence of intersections. Last year in my neighborhood we had a cyclist die from making a sharp left turn straight into a tram. It was a track x cycle lane intersection and between the tracks and cycle lane parallel to it from which he turned there's a strip of pavement, so unless you really cut that turn, the tram should be in your field of vision. Also there's a yield sign for cyclists, but obvious…

trams are pretty damn loud as well, but I guess people can be very distracted. to be fair though, getting hit by a tram in a car instead of on a bike probably wouldn't be any more fun.

Survivability is much greater though. Funnily enough it happens approximately 100 times every year in my city of 650k, but fatalities are rare (I'm not aware of any). Pedestrians are less fortunate, as a few die annually being hit/run over by a tram.

But I would rather restrict cycling than trams, as the latter perform a valuable service.

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The US seem to document it better. Googling for news on "florida man" is almost always impressive. Just now we have "Florida man has been arrested after allegedly hiding two radio-controlled explosive devices in the toilets of a casino", "Florida Man Accused of Hacking Disney World Menus, Changing Font to Wingdings", "Florida man bitten twice by shark at same beach over a decade apart" and others.

The entire “Florida man” phenomenon comes down to particularly strong public records in Florida. But also, lol.

The news does seem more entertaining from there. Here in London it's all delayed transport, stabbings and phone snatching.

Re: Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then sticks him with $1,800 bill

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As a bicyclist, I'm constantly told how dangerous bicycles are. Usually, I get a blank look when I explain, bicycles are very safe, it is the cars that are the dangerous part of the equation. Now I'll have to add fast billing ambulances to the list of dangers.

You could say that jumping out of a plane without a parachute isn't dangerous, it's the ground that's dangerous. Cyclists make mistakes, make bad judgments, take big risks, just like car drivers. They are human too. You could say cyclists have a bigger incentive to avoid problems, but no driver I know wants to hit someone and injure them, and cyclists I know become inured to the risks after riding for years without i…

Except with bicycles you very well can find a plane to jump out with no ground to be seen.

Your analogy is car brained and bad.

I live in germany and have an extremely safe bike commute.

I would not commute by bike in the US tho

Re: Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then sticks him with $1,800 bill

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> Cars are a political choice that we made but don't have to make. Ambulances aren't though. Same with delivery vehicles. Public transport is, but typically one associated with less cars. All of these are both dangerous to cyclists and essential in a functioning city.

over here in the civilised world, we have bicycle lanes.

Not just lanes! We have entire routes exclusive to bicycles and use bicycle lanes only as a fallback where there are none

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In practice, it is healthy people making "sacrifices" to not eat shit and do exercise are footing biils for couch potatoes who eat shit all day.

Ah, so exactly like health insurance?

yep

Re: Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then sticks him with $1,800 bill

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Memories of one specific 6 year old a long time ago that was hit by an ambulance and had a long-ish life in a wheelchair with severely reduce brain functions. Also memory of the last game of chess I had played with this friend. He's dead now, of covid in his forties, his mum having pretty much dedicated her life to taking care of the forever-kid.

Please think to drive carefully, and after that then please think to drive with enough care that you won't create such pain.

Re: Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then sticks him with $1,800 bill

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trams are pretty damn loud as well, but I guess people can be very distracted. to be fair though, getting hit by a tram in a car instead of on a bike probably wouldn't be any more fun.

Survivability is much greater though. Funnily enough it happens approximately 100 times every year in my city of 650k, but fatalities are rare (I'm not aware of any). Pedestrians are less fortunate, as a few die annually being hit/run over by a tram. But I would rather restrict cycling than trams, as the latter perform a valuable service.

I helped build and operate a medium sized art car at Burning Man. We had a guy on a bike ride directly into the rear of our extremely well lit, loud, and (relative to the bike) large art car. We were parked.

He got up and rode away with no explanation.

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