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Re: Sustainable Web Interest Group Is Formed

#31

This is coming from the same W3C, Inc. that used to publish HTML standards, or at least review spec snapshots created by (the loose group of Chrome devs and other individuals financed by Google called) WHATWG, but stopped doing so finally last year ([1], or actually already in 2021) to focus on delivering more totally unbloated and sustainable CSS instead. [1]: https://sgmljs.net/blog/blog2303.html

God forbid if people are paid to work on something.

Re: Sustainable Web Interest Group Is Formed

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting we'd use less energy and materials if we stored things on physical media and when we needed to share something we send a physical copy via snail-mail or courier?

Probably suggesting that cloud storage and cloud server products use energy less efficiently than a more simple setup

That's certainly untrue. They have much more flexible choice of where to put their datacenters.

Re: Sustainable Web Interest Group Is Formed

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If there're no Alphabet employees on the board of this group who can veto any decision, it'll be safely ignored by them. They fully own and control Chrome and make profit from ads, so why would they pay any attention to "decluttering" which could bring less ads?

Since Manifest v3 shame there's no chance web would get any less ads. Only more. Much more.

Re: Sustainable Web Interest Group Is Formed

#35
It's a good effort, but a lot of this stuff reads more like the usual bureaucratic virtue-signaling that's popular these days. All that's needed to drastically decrease energy use is to just take late-90s/early 2000s web technology and push it to its limits. Zero JS unless absolutely necessary.

Two days ago I was watching the election results on various sites, along with many others. Some sites just didn't work in a slightly older browser, and those which did were still consuming a lot more resources than they really needed. It shouldn't require the latest in web technologies and computing hardware to show a simple dynamically updating outline map.

Re: Sustainable Web Interest Group Is Formed

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I hope they're successful. I think the web really needs some "decluttering". The ratio of processing power by useful payload nowadays is unsustainable. For example any news website, in order to read some text, you need to load a ton of JavaScript, ads (some even video) that add zero value to the intended purpose. My nostalgia wants some of the early 00s web again, but I believe in something between. Which consumes fa…

> For example any news website, in order to read some text, you need to load a ton of JavaScript, ads (some even video) that add zero value to the intended purpose

I'm still running the original iPhone SE from 2016, and there are basically two things that will reliably heat up the phone and absolutely destroy the battery: news websites, and the github web frontend.

It's pathetic how many resources these things use when their main job is to essentially display some text to you. The github native app works completely fine which shows it's not a problem with the phone, it's a problem with devs not caring at all about performance.

Re: Sustainable Web Interest Group Is Formed

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post #3

I hope they're successful. I think the web really needs some "decluttering". The ratio of processing power by useful payload nowadays is unsustainable. For example any news website, in order to read some text, you need to load a ton of JavaScript, ads (some even video) that add zero value to the intended purpose. My nostalgia wants some of the early 00s web again, but I believe in something between. Which consumes fa…

I think the web really needs some "decluttering". The ratio of processing power by useful payload nowadays is unsustainable. I completely agree. However, I think browsers are also to blame in some part. On web sites that I build, I sometimes get alerts from Safari that my page is bogging down the computer and it offers to "reduce protections" to make the page perform better. But this is always on pages that are plain…

Do you have any examples? I believe you, but I've literally never seen this before. Is this desktop or mobile Safari?

Re: Sustainable Web Interest Group Is Formed

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post #3

I hope they're successful. I think the web really needs some "decluttering". The ratio of processing power by useful payload nowadays is unsustainable. For example any news website, in order to read some text, you need to load a ton of JavaScript, ads (some even video) that add zero value to the intended purpose. My nostalgia wants some of the early 00s web again, but I believe in something between. Which consumes fa…

RSS is a pretty good way around this. Disabling JavaScript is also a good option to cut down on the silliness. If it breaks the site, it was probably not worth reading.

Re: Sustainable Web Interest Group Is Formed

#40
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