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Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by phtrivier »

FigurativeVoid wrote: post #67

When the pandemic started, I really enjoyed the podcast. They seemed to have some good insights, and I found them funny. It was a vibe that I sorely missed being home alone. If one them sees this, I hope they take it kindly. The podcast has gone downhill drastically. The level of discourse has dropped considerably. They make all sorts of claims with very little evidence. Recently they have all agreed that voter ID la…

The good thing is that, since yesterday, "bro podcast" is the new "mainstream".

So, not listening is actually being a cool kid.

I really can't wait for when kids will find Rogan "passé", and talk about the next history book they're reading for fun with friends.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by senkora »

nailer wrote: post #225
senkora wrote: post #43

The one that I always remember is how they shilled for Solana immediately before it crashed hard. (I have never had any position in any crypto) I feel like their show has an implicit subtext where you’re expected to understand when they are lying. You get to feel smart by recognizing when they’re just talking their book. The tricky question is whether there is any value in the podcast besides understanding their book…

If you purchased Solana at that point and held it, or purchased it during that crash, you would be very happy now.

I don’t think it’s fully returned to the level it was at when the episode aired (I forget the exact episode so I can’t say for sure), but you do have a point.

Certainly anyone who bought Solana after it crashed did very well:

(adjust the time range to “all”) https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/solana/

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Post by antonyt »

throwaway-blaze wrote: post #209
parasubvert wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would make sense if there was an actual argument for the process being compromised. But there isn’t. You can rebuild it and be accused of inserting back doors. There’s no win - the whole argument is that the process is sound if a certain party wins, if that party loses, then the process is corrupt. Notice how there’s no cries of election integrity problems for this election? Because the “right” party won.

You must not read lefty X / Twitter where they're wondering where 15mm voters went from last time.

What lefty twitter tweets is irrelevant. Are the losing party's establishment and candidate crying foul and mobilizing crony media to cast doubt on the election's legitimacy? Because in 2020 that's what happened.

We have multiple sitting Congressmen and other government officials still refusing to admit Trump lost in 2020.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by throw4847285 »

digdugdirk wrote: post #59
olix0r wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets…

It's fascinating that Michael Crichton would have a quote like that when he's been guilty of falling into the same trap himself. It really shows how difficult it is for the human mind to have perspective on itself.

There's a corollary to the Gell-man Effect which I will dub the Crichton Effect. If somebody is a compelling enough prose stylist then it is easy to be duped into believing that they know more about the topic of their fictional works than they really do. Crichton was a crank, but he knew how to craft a narrative.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by nojvek »

All-in podcast is very pro Trump and Elon. I listened to their conference series.

Some made sense, some didn’t. But kudos to Trump. He painted himself as the progressive. Embracing crypto and AI. He got the tech bros vouching for him in big numbers.

Even my hairdresser said he listened to All-in podcast and brought some Trump coins. It’s gonna go up he said. He voted so his coins go up.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by nailer »

senkora wrote: post #242
nailer wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you purchased Solana at that point and held it, or purchased it during that crash, you would be very happy now.

I don’t think it’s fully returned to the level it was at when the episode aired (I forget the exact episode so I can’t say for sure), but you do have a point. Certainly anyone who bought Solana after it crashed did very well: (adjust the time range to “all”) https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/solana/

Week before FTX crash it was 24, just before the crash (FTX crash happened after Breakpoint where Google announced they were running Solana validators and Meta added Solana support to Instagram) it was 36, it crashed to 8.

It's now at 180-ish.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by nixosbestos »

Centigonal wrote: post #3

There was the opendoor ipo, there was Jason Calacanis "sharpening the knives" ahead of the Twitter acquisition, there was what David Sacks did to Zenefits, and there's more. People are going to keep trusting these guys, simply because they have a hard-on for charismatic people with a lot of money, an extremely short memory, and refusal to believe that they will be the next ones to be scammed.

> People are going to keep trusting these guys, simply because they have a hard-on for charismatic people with a lot of money, an extremely short memory, and refusal to believe that they will be the next ones to be scammed.

What a perfect week for people to read this line and go "well that doesn't mean me, nah!"

This thread is literally CHALKED FULL of people being like "but I like the vibes despite the obvious signs of charlatanism".

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by TeaBrain »

rikkert wrote: post #231
tomcam wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's fascinating that Michael Crichton would have a quote like that when he's been guilty of falling into the same trap himself. For example?

Michael Crichton’s State of Fear is a prominent example of climate science denial wrapped in a techno-thriller narrative. In the book, he portrays mainstream climate science as alarmist and driven by political motives rather than factual evidence. Crichton uses the plot to imply that climate change fears are exaggerated, fueled by a coalition of media, scientists, and activists with hidden agendas. Despite claiming t…

That isn't actually an example of the Gell-Mann Amnesia, as he described, but just an example of the cherry picking of data and selective interpretation. The Gell-Mann Amnesia, as he described it, refers to how people will not read a source with skepticism when they are not familiar with it's subject matter, even when they have read an inaccurate article from the same source about subject matter that they are familiar with enough to spot the inaccuracies.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by tartuffe78 »

nerdponx wrote: post #215
nfw2 wrote: post #181

I think part of All-In's success is that it has the vibe of a group of friends sitting around and shooting the breeze. It's way less academic than something like the Ezra Klein Show, but that's the point. Is there bloviating involved? All the time, especially from Chamath. Are there bad takes? Certainly. But it's entertaining.

Being confidently wrong about matters of public policy in front of a large audience is more than just an incidental bad take. It pollutes the public well of information and thereby does a disservice to society. You do not have a right to entertain yourself with something that damages the ability of society to make decisions and govern itself.

You do have the right for better or worse.

Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast

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Post by TeaBrain »

nerdponx wrote: post #215
nfw2 wrote: post #181

I think part of All-In's success is that it has the vibe of a group of friends sitting around and shooting the breeze. It's way less academic than something like the Ezra Klein Show, but that's the point. Is there bloviating involved? All the time, especially from Chamath. Are there bad takes? Certainly. But it's entertaining.

Being confidently wrong about matters of public policy in front of a large audience is more than just an incidental bad take. It pollutes the public well of information and thereby does a disservice to society. You do not have a right to entertain yourself with something that damages the ability of society to make decisions and govern itself.

They didn't start off with a large audience and they weren't granted one by having something like a channel reserved on the airwaves. They gathered a large audience organically because people just wanted to watch. They have no obligation to be PBS.
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