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Re: Samsung profits surge 79% boosted by smartphone sales

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Post by Steko » Fri, Jul 06, 2012, 9:45 AM UTC

zmmmmm wrote: post #14

idspispopd wrote: post #4

My favourite part is the image of the model showing the samsung with an interface that closely resembles iOS. http://i.imgur.com/nsqFl.jpg

You ignore the three phones in the stock / normal configuration that looks nothing like iOS (showing widgets, etc), focus on the one that happens to be showing the app drawer which is more similar just so you can troll with a comment about copying. It's getting old.

"focus on the one that happens to be showing the app drawer"

(1) Hard not to focus on the one being shoved at the camera.

(2) Display models held by display models don't just "happen" to be configured a certain way. Samsung has frequently marketed their stuff with the app drawer although lawsuits have mitigated that lately.*

Given the lack of differentiation with Samsung products compared to other Android vendors your suggestion that this is all a big coincidence is laughable.

* see for example...

original galaxy s announcement:

http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2012/01/medium_af88...

galaxy tab original packaging:

http://www.thegalaxytab.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/galax...

galaxy tab 2 launch event:

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/10/04/16859...

Re: Samsung profits surge 79% boosted by smartphone sales

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Post by josephlord » Fri, Jul 06, 2012, 9:52 AM UTC

yogrish wrote: post #13

jstsch wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it is appreciable, since Samsung is one of the biggest copycat companies ever. I was shopping for a washing machine recently, and it struck me how blatantly Samsung copies features from Miele. You can say what you want about Nokia and RIM, but they certainly have been innovative in the past. Samsung, not at all.

I completely agree that it is a copycat, that's why I mentioned 'hook or crook'. But how many copy cats are making it to top in any sector. Some thing more is there with it technology wise or marketing wise. Would like to hear Any other thoughts.

They are a copycat but one with brilliant industrial design capabilities (not just a nice product but efficient to assemble), a ruthless competitive streak, most complete supply chain of any CE company (screens, semi conductors and god knows what else). They buy their way into retail with high dealer margins and slightly different models for each retailer/carrier so that the dealers/carriers push them until they are dominant.

They also form part of the supply chain for most of their competitors so they can gain an information advantage.

In the TV market I think where they really took the lead in product development was with the ability to redesign the panel packaging to use it as structure for the TV and then to design for thinner a thinner bezels.

Re: Samsung profits surge 79% boosted by smartphone sales

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Post by Steko » Fri, Jul 06, 2012, 9:55 AM UTC

jnorthrop wrote: post #5

runako wrote: post #2

Bloomberg's headline for the same announcement: "Samsung Shares Fall After Quarterly Sales Miss Estimates"

Here is a link to that story: http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/article/Samsung-Sha... That's a tough spin on positive news. Just because the analysts blew their estimates doesn't mean Samsung had a bad quarter. Here is the key quote: "Sales of 47 trillion won ($41 billion) trailed the 49.8 trillion-won average of 35 analysts’ estimates compiled by Bloomberg, overshadowing operating profit that rose to a recor…

"That's a tough spin on positive news."

Consider the source: people reading Bloomberg probably do want to know what's going on with the share price moreso then a general or tech news source reader where the focus might remain on the raw numbers.

Re: Samsung profits surge 79% boosted by smartphone sales

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Post by dereg » Fri, Jul 06, 2012, 11:22 AM UTC

megablast wrote: post #17

dereg wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What blows my mind is how so many geeks have flocked to Samsung's side in the patent debacle of late. Samsung is one of the most "evil" corporations out there. They are one of the most shameless abusers of power in South Korea and are well known to suppress competition, free speech, and political dissent through their media influence. Samsung's success (and their past means of achieving it) is nothing to be proud of.

Samsung has such a huge control over South Korea, i think I saw a study saying Samsumg's income is about 5% of Korea's GDP. Insane. Not that it would make much difference, but it is crazy to see all the geeks embracing them so much.

Samsung actually contributes to a whopping twenty percent of South Korea's economy.

Re: Samsung profits surge 79% boosted by smartphone sales

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Post by icebraining » Fri, Jul 06, 2012, 11:55 AM UTC

dereg wrote: post #11

jstsch wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it is appreciable, since Samsung is one of the biggest copycat companies ever. I was shopping for a washing machine recently, and it struck me how blatantly Samsung copies features from Miele. You can say what you want about Nokia and RIM, but they certainly have been innovative in the past. Samsung, not at all.

What blows my mind is how so many geeks have flocked to Samsung's side in the patent debacle of late. Samsung is one of the most "evil" corporations out there. They are one of the most shameless abusers of power in South Korea and are well known to suppress competition, free speech, and political dissent through their media influence. Samsung's success (and their past means of achieving it) is nothing to be proud of.

What the hell does the patent issue have to do with free speech or political dissent? If you're against the patents on principle - like many are - it makes perfect sense to side with the one being targeted by them, regardless of what you think of them.

To paraphrase Beatrice Hall: "I disapprove of what you do, but I will defend to the death your right to be free from patent abusers".

Re: Samsung profits surge 79% boosted by smartphone sales

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Post by Samuel_Michon » Fri, Jul 06, 2012, 12:28 PM UTC

yogrish wrote: post #13

jstsch wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it is appreciable, since Samsung is one of the biggest copycat companies ever. I was shopping for a washing machine recently, and it struck me how blatantly Samsung copies features from Miele. You can say what you want about Nokia and RIM, but they certainly have been innovative in the past. Samsung, not at all.

I completely agree that it is a copycat, that's why I mentioned 'hook or crook'. But how many copy cats are making it to top in any sector. Some thing more is there with it technology wise or marketing wise. Would like to hear Any other thoughts.

"how many copy cats are making it to top in any sector"

How about Microsoft? They've done alright.

Re: Samsung profits surge 79% boosted by smartphone sales

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Post by loceng » Fri, Jul 06, 2012, 12:59 PM UTC

ars wrote: post #9

jnorthrop wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is a link to that story: http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/article/Samsung-Sha... That's a tough spin on positive news. Just because the analysts blew their estimates doesn't mean Samsung had a bad quarter. Here is the key quote: "Sales of 47 trillion won ($41 billion) trailed the 49.8 trillion-won average of 35 analysts’ estimates compiled by Bloomberg, overshadowing operating profit that rose to a recor…

> the analysts blew their estimates Samsung is supposed to give the analysts "guidance" to let them make good estimates. So it's a little bit Samsung's fault.

It's analysts jobs to know the competition and the holistic market, so perhaps their numbers were off somewhere else. You don't know what desperate measures competition might take in order to try to fend off or slow down someone you see who's going to become a strong competitor.

Re: Samsung profits surge 79% boosted by smartphone sales

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Post by J3L2404 » Fri, Jul 06, 2012, 1:18 PM UTC

dereg wrote: post #11

jstsch wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it is appreciable, since Samsung is one of the biggest copycat companies ever. I was shopping for a washing machine recently, and it struck me how blatantly Samsung copies features from Miele. You can say what you want about Nokia and RIM, but they certainly have been innovative in the past. Samsung, not at all.

What blows my mind is how so many geeks have flocked to Samsung's side in the patent debacle of late. Samsung is one of the most "evil" corporations out there. They are one of the most shameless abusers of power in South Korea and are well known to suppress competition, free speech, and political dissent through their media influence. Samsung's success (and their past means of achieving it) is nothing to be proud of.

>What blows my mind is how so many geeks have flocked to Samsung's side in the patent debacle of late.

Anyone but Apple.

Re: Samsung profits surge 79% boosted by smartphone sales

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Post by jrockway » Fri, Jul 06, 2012, 1:28 PM UTC

idspispopd wrote: post #4

My favourite part is the image of the model showing the samsung with an interface that closely resembles iOS. http://i.imgur.com/nsqFl.jpg

iOS's launcher looks pretty much exactly like Windows 3.1's program manager. It's almost like grids are a natural way to arrange square icons, or something.

Re: Samsung profits surge 79% boosted by smartphone sales

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Post by runako » Fri, Jul 06, 2012, 1:37 PM UTC

jnorthrop wrote: post #5

runako wrote: post #2

Bloomberg's headline for the same announcement: "Samsung Shares Fall After Quarterly Sales Miss Estimates"

Here is a link to that story: http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/article/Samsung-Sha... That's a tough spin on positive news. Just because the analysts blew their estimates doesn't mean Samsung had a bad quarter. Here is the key quote: "Sales of 47 trillion won ($41 billion) trailed the 49.8 trillion-won average of 35 analysts’ estimates compiled by Bloomberg, overshadowing operating profit that rose to a recor…

Actual link to the Bloomberg story I referenced:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-05/samsung-2nd-quarter...

(I'm not sure if sfgate.com edits content they re-publish.)