I think part of All-In's success is that it has the vibe of a group of friends sitting around and shooting the breeze. It's way less academic than something like the Ezra Klein Show, but that's the point. Is there bloviating involved? All the time, especially from Chamath. Are there bad takes? Certainly. But it's entertaining.
Learning not to trust the All-In podcast
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#182When the pandemic started, I really enjoyed the podcast. They seemed to have some good insights, and I found them funny. It was a vibe that I sorely missed being home alone. If one them sees this, I hope they take it kindly. The podcast has gone downhill drastically. The level of discourse has dropped considerably. They make all sorts of claims with very little evidence. Recently they have all agreed that voter ID la…
Voter ID laws do, in fact, just make sense.
Drivers license or a hunting license are acceptable but student ID is not acceptable to vote does not make sense.
Further, it is a superficially reasonable solution to a non-problem.
Fwiw: "time and time again, voter photo ID laws are proven to be ineffective tools to fight voter fraud — in the rare instances it does take place. While voter photo ID laws aim to prevent in-person voter impersonation, an almost non-existent form of voter fraud, other types of voter impersonation are similarly rare and not cause for significant concern. According to the Brennan Center, the rate of in-person voter impersonation is extremely low: only 0.00004% of all ballots cast. It’s worth noting that this rate is even significantly lower than other rare forms of voter fraud, such as absentee ballot fraud, which voter photo ID laws do not address."
"Voter fraud is so extremely rare. Out of 250,000,000 votes cast by mail between 2000 and 2020, there were 193 criminal convictions. By those numbers, a person is more likely to be struck by lightning than they are to commit voter fraud. Further, there are already measures in place to detect irregularities and investigate potential cases of voter fraud, making the need for further legislation even smaller."
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#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
Voter ID laws do, in fact, just make sense.
Drivers license or a hunting license are acceptable but student ID is not acceptable to vote does not make sense. Further, it is a superficially reasonable solution to a non-problem. Fwiw: "time and time again, voter photo ID laws are proven to be ineffective tools to fight voter fraud — in the rare instances it does take place. While voter photo ID laws aim to prevent in-person voter impersonation, an almost non-exi…
> Drivers license or a hunting license are acceptable but student ID is not acceptable to vote does not make sense.
Drivers licenses are issued by a single state-wide government agency in each state and there are national standards for their security.
Student IDs are issued by thousands of educational institutions, both public and private, and they don't have the same security standards.
It is much easier for election officials to distinguish genuine from fake drivers licenses than genuine from fake student IDs, so it actually makes a lot of sense to accept the former as voting ID but not the latter.
I know less about hunting licenses, but if they are issued by a statewide agency, they would be closer to drivers licenses than student IDs, so accepting them but not student IDs makes sense too.
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Ha. Imagine believing this. Yeah, please let me know when Chamath corrects the record on the topic in question. These guys are charlatans. These lying idiots have absolutely no shame in misleading you, and you are falling for it. “Oh, it’s just entertainment. Oh, it’s just opinion. Oh, you shouldn’t take them seriously.” No. Absolutely not. I refuse to give them a pass. We have to stop normalizing this behavior. Ethi…
Lol good for you! Don’t watch it. Be the moral police, see how that works out. This is the reason moderates are pushed into right side.
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Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast
#185When the pandemic started, I really enjoyed the podcast. They seemed to have some good insights, and I found them funny. It was a vibe that I sorely missed being home alone. If one them sees this, I hope they take it kindly. The podcast has gone downhill drastically. The level of discourse has dropped considerably. They make all sorts of claims with very little evidence. Recently they have all agreed that voter ID la…
The voter id laws conversation is an excellent example of one where they seemed to be largely off the mark. Jason tried to bring up some of the concerns at first, was immediately shot down by the co-hosts, and they never revisted the legitimate debates against voter ID laws. This perspective is coming from someone who largely agrees with their ultimate conclusion that we should have Voter ID laws, but there were legi…
>>>>they went off for quite a while about selling off UHF and VHF frequencies which was also a pretty clueless claim....how does that change anything? You are just trading one problem for another.
Our entire free market economy operates on this premise. Govt auctions certain exploitation rights, the rights go to the highest bidder which is presumably the one that can exploit the resource for the most value. VHF UHF frequencies were not auctioned, they were instead handed out to well-connected aristocracy, such as when Senator Edwin Johnson (D-Colorado) lobbied and got a band for Denver within 10 days [1]
Are you saying patronage is superior to the free market ? Or is there a better system I'm not aware of ? I'd love to hear it.
[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20090804163725/http://dumonthist...
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
The mistake which this podcast made was to misinform their listeners. Given that informing their listeners is their core mission, it's a pretty unforgivable mistake. Better to listen to another podcast which takes their mission more seriously.
Any podcast that has "informing their listeners" as a core mission will make mistakes now and then. It happens because we are all humans and not Gods. All I'm trying to do here is push back against the suggestion of the article that you write off people based on a single mistake. A world in which I can never make a mistake is not a world I want to live in.
There’s an obvious difference between a one-off mistake and one which is part of a pattern of continuous deception meant to bias the audience in one particular political direction; the mistake mentioned in the article is clearly the latter. It does not deserve the benefit of the doubt you’re giving it, as a genuine one-off would (particularly if they mentioned, corrected, and apologized for the mistake, which I predict with high confidence they will not do).
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Voter ID, which most democratic countries require, seems like an incredibly modest step. As always, you should ask "what purpose does this serve?" Do we need voter ID laws? Well, is there a widespread voter fraud problem? No [1]. When you declare something to be "common sense", you betray either a lack of knowledge of why something is the way it is, you know why it's like that but you're willing to lie about it to…
You’re going to lose people at the first point. You don’t believe there is fraud. But others do (or believe there could be in the future)
Are we supposed to deal in good faith with people who believe things for which there is no evidence? Some people also believe in a flat Earth.
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You’re going to lose people at the first point. You don’t believe there is fraud. But others do (or believe there could be in the future)
His first point was sourced with evidence, something every single one of these "believers" has failed to produce, time and time again .
I don't have a horse in this race. I just think it's easy to find stuff online to back whatever you want to back.
https://electionfraud.heritage.org/
Is the above site BS?
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
The GP isn't making a statement about how voters feel disillusioned in the electoral process in general. They are making a statement about how one of the two political parties has spent 4 years telling their supporters that the 2020 election was stolen because of rampant voter fraud. It doesn't even matter if you agree with the claims that were made about voter fraud, I can't think of any good faith argument by liter…
> It doesn't even matter if you agree with the claims that were made about voter fraud, I can't think of any good faith argument by literally anyone on the political compass that it didn't cause people to lose faith in electoral process. Maybe people shouldn't have faith in the electoral process, and the way to rebuild confidence in the integrity of the electoral process is to rebuild the integrity of the electoral p…
That would make sense if there was an actual argument for the process being compromised. But there isn’t. You can rebuild it and be accused of inserting back doors. There’s no win - the whole argument is that the process is sound if a certain party wins, if that party loses, then the process is corrupt.
Notice how there’s no cries of election integrity problems for this election? Because the “right” party won.
Re: Learning not to trust the All-In podcast
#190When the pandemic started, I really enjoyed the podcast. They seemed to have some good insights, and I found them funny. It was a vibe that I sorely missed being home alone. If one them sees this, I hope they take it kindly. The podcast has gone downhill drastically. The level of discourse has dropped considerably. They make all sorts of claims with very little evidence. Recently they have all agreed that voter ID la…
Voter ID laws do, in fact, just make sense.
It’s a solution that “just makes sense” only if you are ignorant of both the problems it claims to solve and the problems it creates.
It’s kinda like the DNSSEC of politics.