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Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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> Detonating something in orbit could trigger Kessler's Syndrome Unlikely in general, no at LEO and definitely not at the suborbital velocities IFT-6 contemplates.

Even at suborbital velocities, putting debris into the path of an existing satellite that is traveling at orbital velocity is enough to trigger a cascade.

The chance anything hits fragments within the next hour or two is not very high.

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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Honestly of very little significance to the typical individual. It isn't going to pay my bills or provide for my kids. It does nothing for people suffering war and genocide. Nothing for poverty, access to health care and education. Nothing for the biggest threats facing our civilization. It is still a remarkable technical achievement and I think the people who have designed and built these systems deserve some celebr…

Your posts reminds me of the building of the first transcontinental railroad. It had many fits and starts, and people thought it would take decades to pay off. But just as soon as it was completed, it changed everything overnight. This is what Musk is doing.

SpaceX are not building a transcontinental railroad. I think that is a false equivalence.

An operational Starship should be very impactful on space exploration but it won't be shipping cattle back from Mars. There is a difficult to discern line between reality and bullshit that Musk likes to blur. The "vision" stuff is there to hype up the troops and investors. You don't need to swallow it to appreciate the technology. It isn't narrow minded to reject stuff that just doesn't add up. The scales, time, distance, energy, investment involved in space colonization are incomparable to settling the USA. The railroad was bringing people to a land that was already successfully settled by neolithic peoples tens of thousands of years earlier.

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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post #326

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Honestly of very little significance to the typical individual. It isn't going to pay my bills or provide for my kids. It does nothing for people suffering war and genocide. Nothing for poverty, access to health care and education. Nothing for the biggest threats facing our civilization. It is still a remarkable technical achievement and I think the people who have designed and built these systems deserve some celebr…

Your posts reminds me of the building of the first transcontinental railroad. It had many fits and starts, and people thought it would take decades to pay off. But just as soon as it was completed, it changed everything overnight. This is what Musk is doing.

The payload is so big it will be a pretty dramatic phase transition for almost everything space related, assuming theres not some horrible flaw hidden away somewhere.

Quite bizarre how some people genuinely think he's just some guy who allocates capital. Or rich dad or whatever. I guess his dad was probably rich but that's clearly not enough.

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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I’ve liked some of his other videos and made it in twenty minutes. He has three arguments: SpaceX is late and over budget on HLS, booster recapture is the easiest part of Starship’s technical risks and Starship is bad value for money. On the first two he’s right. Starship was, per SpaceX’s proposal to NASA, supposed to be almost ready by now. It’s not. But neither is any other leg of Artemis, and there is no unforgiv…

> I stopped watching when the criticism of Falcon 9’s pricing came up. Why should SpaceX, a private company, undercut itself? It’s already the cheapest (relative to mass; PSLV gives it a run for some orbits), most reliable and most frequent launch provider in the world. It makes sense for them to capture the delta as profit versus cut prices for the sake of it. (There is also no inflation adjusting done.) Exactly, th…

Musk expressed outrage that the Russians are massively overcharging the US so he went on to massively overcharge the US.

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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post #362

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Your posts reminds me of the building of the first transcontinental railroad. It had many fits and starts, and people thought it would take decades to pay off. But just as soon as it was completed, it changed everything overnight. This is what Musk is doing.

SpaceX are not building a transcontinental railroad. I think that is a false equivalence. An operational Starship should be very impactful on space exploration but it won't be shipping cattle back from Mars. There is a difficult to discern line between reality and bullshit that Musk likes to blur. The "vision" stuff is there to hype up the troops and investors. You don't need to swallow it to appreciate the technolog…

SpaceX is building a railroad to the solar system. It will change everything, and quickly.

> The railroad was bringing people to a land that was already successfully settled by neolithic peoples tens of thousands of years earlier.

That's what people thought before the railroad was completed.

See "Nothing Like It In the World" by Stephen Ambrose:

https://www.amazon.com/Nothing-Like-World-Transcontinental-1...

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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I am a fan of space. I love the things that have happened with SpaceX and breaking the space industry out of a multi-decade rut, but is it possible to dsiconect the political ambitions of Musk from the technical achievements? Or, to put it more clearly, should the discussion be less about 'look how cool this tech is!' and more about 'This tech will be the gateway to space and Mars, shouldn't we be talking about the gatekeeper?'

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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> It will require on the order of 10 launches to fuel up one moon lander in orbit Require, or just make comfortable? Saturn V had the lift capacity of "only" a couple of Falcon Heavies, but was enough to carry astronauts, a car, a lunar lander with enough fuel to take off, and a command module.

It's necessary because the Starship upper stage is so heavy. With a non reusable upper stage Starship's capacity would be enormous.

Also because of the Lunar Gateway part of the plan. That pretty much just serves to waste fuel and funnel taxpayer money to the companies funding several congressmembers' election campaigns.

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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See this is the kind of thing that's not helpful. It's just an outlandish overly optimistic mishmash of different concepts. Let's start with your analogy: > Imagine if a round-trip flight from the US to Europe didn’t cost $500, but only $5, unbelievable, right? If you mean to use this to explain that what today costs X will in the future cost 0.01X, you're probably right. But a more accurate analogy is "Imagine if a…

> A 100x reduction in costs means that it becomes a fundable endeavour that countries like the US could still justify. Don't forget the dynamics. Costs of all such projects drop further when early steps become affordable. Like, with 100x reduction on the sticker price, US might feel Mars colony is still too expensive a project, but 100x reduction on trying out some adjacent space tech may just be in range of NASA bud…

Shielding from the sun only happens when it's dark on that side of the moon. So half the month, effectively. But shielding from Earth can be constant, thanks to tidal locking. Particularly nice for really big radio telescopes.

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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I think that's the last thing they need to do before they can actually launch satellites. I'm surprised there was no attempt on the last launch. Glad to see it this time. The improved Starlink constellation that Starship will enable is going to be awesome.

I think they will want to deal with heatshield first. As of now, it hasn't survived deorbiting. SpaceX can launch satellites using Falcon9 and do it routinely. Starship needs to be developed and reach milestones, so they can get paid by NASA. Having a payload is a complication (unless it's a fun payload, remember the roadster car :D)

i hope the next dummy payload is a giant 2 story tall anime figurine, knowing musk it's not out of the question

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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No, absolutely not! Almost exactly the opposite meaning was intended, and I didn't think for a second that it could be interpreted as you say there. I wrote the comment quickly, thinking the sarcasm was obvious, I apologise for not being more explicit. The comment I responded to (which has now been removed, I think?) referred to how proud the commenter was that Musk is "American". I found this to be totally preposter…

Why wouldn’t he be considered an American? He is a naturalized United States citizen. The only thing he can’t do per the Constitution is run for president because he was naturalized.

I would think that NOT claiming him as an American is an even stranger thing to do.

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