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Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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Even at suborbital velocities, putting debris into the path of an existing satellite that is traveling at orbital velocity is enough to trigger a cascade.

Collision, yes, cascade no.

No. An object in orbit colliding with anything threatens to create debris in orbit. Debris in orbit collides with other objects in orbit, creating debris in orbit. That's a cascade.

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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Is there such a need for a heavy launch rocket to launch routinely?

Needs tend to develop once the means are there. 200 years ago, there was no need to use electricity. 100 years ago, there was no need to use a programming language. 30 years ago, there was no need for gigabit wireless Internet.

Nobody will ever need more than 640k of RAM.

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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Last times catch was incredible, anything groundbreaking being attempted this time?

They're working off the same license they used for test 5, so they basically have to exactly the same thing they did for test 5. They did manage to add this: "An additional objective for this flight will be attempting an in-space burn using a single Raptor engine, further demonstrating the capabilities required to conduct a ship deorbit burn prior to orbital missions."

And they need to demo that the flaps hold up through re-entry with nominal, minimal damage, otherwise a permit for a plan involving re-entry over land (which is needed to catch the ship) would obviously not issue.

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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They're working off the same license they used for test 5, so they basically have to exactly the same thing they did for test 5. They did manage to add this: "An additional objective for this flight will be attempting an in-space burn using a single Raptor engine, further demonstrating the capabilities required to conduct a ship deorbit burn prior to orbital missions."

I think that's the last thing they need to do before they can actually launch satellites. I'm surprised there was no attempt on the last launch. Glad to see it this time. The improved Starlink constellation that Starship will enable is going to be awesome.

That and flap sturdiness, if they want to be able to re-enter over land so they can catch the ship.

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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post #30

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It's not groundbreaking but it's important. They are demonstrating in orbit relight capability of the raptor engines. This is an absolute requirement before they can put it fully into orbit because losing control of a Starship in low earth orbit would be catastrophic.

> because losing control of a Starship in low earth orbit would be catastrophic Why? Remote detonation wouldn't work in that case?

Detonation in orbit would cause garbage in orbit that could destroy many satellites. It is absolutely not permitted.

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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The shuttle boosters required rebuilding / refueling (which is solid rocket goop) and the fuel tank was completely lost and required rebuilding. The head shield tiles were extremely fragile on the shuttle. It was never a fully reusable design, just more reusable than before. SpaceX plans to have no parts that are lost each flight and is working to make the tiles mostly standardized and less sensitive to faults.

Are they going to replace all the tiles before it can relaunch? And what about the engine nozzles? They must be taking quite the beating. No doubt SpaceX has very smart people working on this and I'm not an expert in material science, but I just find it hard to believe that same day turnaround could be possible. If true, that would really make us a confirmed space faring civilization. We could actually start colonizi…

The heat tiles are reusable, just like the Shuttle's. They are basically just a material that insulates very well, instead of a traditional ablative heat shield that burns away. With the space shuttle they ended up spending a lot of time inspecting each tile for damage and replacing cracked tiles. SpaceX has a modern iteration of the same material, hopefully with fewer cracks.

Other factors that work in SpaceX's favor are 1) that most launches will be unmanned, meaning they can take bigger risks than the Space Shuttle program; 2) that the steel body of Starship can handle higher temperatures than the Space Shuttle's aluminum, so a compromised heat shield is more tolerable; 3) for now they have a secondary ablative heat shield below the tiles (that does have to be replaced when it gets used, but that should only happen when tiles fall off)

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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post #155

Thread devolved into petty politics quicker than expected.

I tried to search faq how to block people but couldn't find any info. How do I do that? If it's not possible, I'm pretty sure this site is breaking the EU social media laws.

That rule doesn't exist.

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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Not into space things and while this is cool i wonder what the great significance of this is? I see lots signaling how great this is and it's lost on me.

Totally reasonable question. This is the first rocket ever that will (assuming further success) land in its entirety back on the launch pad, refuel, and go back to orbit the same day. Imagine that every time an airliner landed its cockpit was destroyed and you had to build a new one. A fully reusable airplane would be a transformational improvement. That's the level of achievement we're talking about here.

I think the economics of space are are much more likely to be transformed by something like https://www.longshotspace.com/. Rockets are complex, still costly, and polluting.

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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It's certainly looked fully intact when reaching ground. When they manage to do the intended landing it should be pretty unharmed, but I'm sure it will take a while before same-day reuse is attempted.

One of the flaps burned through again. Not as bad as the first time. The hinge area seems like the hardest challenge.

It was a flap hinge that burnt through, not the flap. They have a solution for block 2 which we'll likely see in test 7 -- move the flap slightly further back so that the hinge isn't in direct flow.

Re: Starship's Sixth Flight Test

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post #155

Thread devolved into petty politics quicker than expected.

I tried to search faq how to block people but couldn't find any info. How do I do that? If it's not possible, I'm pretty sure this site is breaking the EU social media laws.

There's no "block user" requirement in the EU DSA.
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