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Bitcoin has made a new all-time high price

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Re: Bitcoin has made a new all-time high price

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'Digital gold' is a meaningless sentence. What is digital gold? How does it differ from, say, digital iron?

Not really - it functions economically in a similar manner to gold. Both have a primary use - jewellery or digital payments - and a secondary function as a store of value. Iron isn't much use for financial reserves unlike bullion.

So like a house which also can function as a store of value. You're saying bitcoin is 'digital housing'?

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The real use case is self defense against the arbitrary devaluation of fiat currency. As wildly imperfect as crypto is at that task, it's the best we have in a fungible, digital form. So pessimistic investors flee to it. The worst case for a crypto investor is for the dollar to be restored to a stable store of value. To outcompete crypto, just whip inflation.

If Bitcoin can be traced (which it can), then it isn't fungible.

That is not the definition of fungible. You can put a mark on a USD$100 bill and trace it, but it still has the same value as any other USD$100 bill, or 5 20$ bills, etc.

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Nominal price and value are not the same thing

Everyone is a fool but you I’m sure

I didn't say that. I merely pointed out what I perceive to be an issue with your use of "valuable"

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Note that it hit a new all-time high last night, but it's been in the ~$70ks since last March. The election results may have pushed it over the top, but it's been way up for a while. The people who predicted it would collapse appear to have been wrong, and the people who predicted it would come back appear to be right. My own position was that it's so volatile that it will always be a roller coaster, which is why I d…

It cannot even get to $100k despite endless predictions over the past 5+ years it would. Each cycle is getting subsequently smaller. If anything, it's reached the final stage in which the supply of new buyers to prop up the price, let alone new highs, is exhausted.

Give it time. They've only recently launched the ETFs.

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I have it charted against the Malaysian Ringgit. It was 347k BTC/MYR high this year, compared to 326k today.

this should be the real headline. I am certain and beyond any doubt that I speak for all of us hackernews readers when I say that I have no frame of reference on the value of cryptocurrencies without comparing first with the Malaysian Ringgit

The best base of reference!

1 Ringgit = 1 Ringgit

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this should be the real headline. I am certain and beyond any doubt that I speak for all of us hackernews readers when I say that I have no frame of reference on the value of cryptocurrencies without comparing first with the Malaysian Ringgit

The biggest use case for Bitcoin is as a wealth store for third world countries that don’t have stable banking institutions.

In case you intentionally left out the /s at the end of your comment...

You'd be surprised how advanced the banking systems are in some 3rd world countries. In many cases the banks skipped over a lot of the legacy cruft that 1st world countries are struggling to get rid of now.

Also, in countries where the banking system or currency is falling apart, they use USD cash. Zimbabwe is doing this, Argentina is doing this, I'm sure more places also do this.

Also also, often where you have crumbling banking or currency, you also have crumbling internet and/or electricity infrastructure. Nobody is sitting on an upturned milk crate in their dilapidated corrugated iron shack in the middle of a slum fucking trading bitcoin on Coinbase so that they can buy bread.

Bitcoin is 99% used as a speculative investment instrument and as a means to participate in illicit markets (drugs etc). There is nothing altruistic or democratising about it.

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really is depressing that Trump has brought along the absolute worst people - tech oligarchs, cryptcurrency enthusiasts (Bitcoin still uses more electricity than SPAIN, for truly horrific what people will do to get less SEC regulation or a slightly lower CGT rate.

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Speculators buying from speculators and hoping today isn't the day the hot potato explodes.

The hot potato has gone 5000+ days without exploding and seems fairly non explosive.

More than 70% drop in less than a year is not an explosion ?

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no, but I am using my index fund on s&p 500 to buy goods and services

I'm pretty sure you're not. Or at least, my grocery stores and the IRS/tax people take dollars, not SP500 or QQQ. If yours does I'd live to hear how that works (and where you are). If you're referring to investing $1,000, having it be worth $1,500, and then selling off $300 to pay for groceries, which a Coinbase/whatever account would let you do with Bitcoin while it appreciates.

the entire ETF industry is based on either spending the distributions or reinvesting them, depending on which side of the curve your age lands on, so it's pretty much spending the index.

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The difference is that owning bitcoin doesn't give you partial control over the world's largest companies.

Because you think you have any power over microsoft, with one action ? Unless you have a majority of the company, you are worthless.

Even in the literal sense of "owning" you don't need a majority, but yes - one share does have fractional power. I voted my 1000/ just recently.
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