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Nvidia and its partners built a system to bypass U.S. export restrictions

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Re: Nvidia and its partners built a system to bypass U.S. export restrictions

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Post by tzs »

ChumpGPT wrote: post #5

There needs to be an investigation, I know Nvidia will cry that they didn't break any rules while knowing their partners are forwarding GPUs to China, Russia, Iran, etc. Perhaps a multi-billion $$$ fine against Nvidia and sanctions against any country that was used as a party to these transactions are in order. This is a national security issue for the USA.

> This is a national security issue for the USA

I'm skeptical. If it was actually a national security issue those GPUs would not be allowed to be sold to civilians. You can't have something that is easily portable and readily available to and tradable between civilians in the US and realistically expect it not to get out.

Re: Nvidia and its partners built a system to bypass U.S. export restrictions

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Post by twelve40 »

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #7
mgh2 wrote: post #2

Article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42048033

why did you post the tweet also then? Stick to the source

um... try reading the tweet maybe? it's adding massive new details about a different country altogether

Re: Nvidia and its partners built a system to bypass U.S. export restrictions

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Post by ls_stats »

ChumpGPT wrote: post #5

There needs to be an investigation, I know Nvidia will cry that they didn't break any rules while knowing their partners are forwarding GPUs to China, Russia, Iran, etc. Perhaps a multi-billion $$$ fine against Nvidia and sanctions against any country that was used as a party to these transactions are in order. This is a national security issue for the USA.

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Re: Nvidia and its partners built a system to bypass U.S. export restrictions

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Post by spartanatreyu »

tzs wrote: post #11
ChumpGPT wrote: post #5

There needs to be an investigation, I know Nvidia will cry that they didn't break any rules while knowing their partners are forwarding GPUs to China, Russia, Iran, etc. Perhaps a multi-billion $$$ fine against Nvidia and sanctions against any country that was used as a party to these transactions are in order. This is a national security issue for the USA.

> This is a national security issue for the USA I'm skeptical. If it was actually a national security issue those GPUs would not be allowed to be sold to civilians. You can't have something that is easily portable and readily available to and tradable between civilians in the US and realistically expect it not to get out.

> If it was actually a national security issue those GPUs would not be allowed to be sold to civilians.

Fertilizer can be made into bombs yet it's still sold to civilians. I would argue that purchasing a Beirut amount of it and transporting it through a city would be of interest to national security.

Likewise, there's a difference between a GPU and over 1000+ AI servers

Re: Nvidia and its partners built a system to bypass U.S. export restrictions

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Post by SR2Z »

tzs wrote: post #11
ChumpGPT wrote: post #5

There needs to be an investigation, I know Nvidia will cry that they didn't break any rules while knowing their partners are forwarding GPUs to China, Russia, Iran, etc. Perhaps a multi-billion $$$ fine against Nvidia and sanctions against any country that was used as a party to these transactions are in order. This is a national security issue for the USA.

> This is a national security issue for the USA I'm skeptical. If it was actually a national security issue those GPUs would not be allowed to be sold to civilians. You can't have something that is easily portable and readily available to and tradable between civilians in the US and realistically expect it not to get out.

It's not that a single GPU is a national security issue (although the law treats it like such).

It's that selling MILLIONS of GPUs is a national security issue.

Enforcing the first is a fool's errand, but the second one is much more doable.

Re: Nvidia and its partners built a system to bypass U.S. export restrictions

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Post by twelve40 »

tzs wrote: post #11
ChumpGPT wrote: post #5

There needs to be an investigation, I know Nvidia will cry that they didn't break any rules while knowing their partners are forwarding GPUs to China, Russia, Iran, etc. Perhaps a multi-billion $$$ fine against Nvidia and sanctions against any country that was used as a party to these transactions are in order. This is a national security issue for the USA.

> This is a national security issue for the USA I'm skeptical. If it was actually a national security issue those GPUs would not be allowed to be sold to civilians. You can't have something that is easily portable and readily available to and tradable between civilians in the US and realistically expect it not to get out.

tru but at least they can stifle it and make it very expensive by shutting down as many channels as possible. The law, even when it's as stupid as banning encryption algorithm exports in the 90's, must be obeyed, but I think ultimately this is useless, China will make their own eventually, this is an uphill battle.

Re: Nvidia and its partners built a system to bypass U.S. export restrictions

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Post by changoplatanero »

infocollector wrote: post #3

I am not sure I buy this argument that Nvidia management was complicit, but it does need investigation.

Yeah…why would they need to bother with secretly arranging for their gpus to go to China given that there is excess demand in the free world.
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