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Albertsons kills rural grocers with land use restrictions

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Re: Albertsons kills rural grocers with land use restrictions

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It's literally just capitalism. This is the point of the economic system. Why are people surprised? Is the propaganda just that good?

I'm having a hard time parsing what you mean. Are you saying "capitalism did it therefore this is good" and suggesting that people disagreeing are victims of "propaganda"?

Capitalism is intrinsically evil. I'll never defend a socioeconomic system of oppression.

Re: Albertsons kills rural grocers with land use restrictions

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That's a bit disingenuous. HOA's can (and regularly do) enforce rules that governmental entities are constitutionally prohibited from enforcing. Yes, technically not a violation because the HOA isn't technically government.

Can you identify such a rule?

https://www.ccfj.net/HOAFLevict6yearold.html

55-AND-OVER COMMUNITY WANTS TO EVICT FAMILY WITH 6-YEAR-OLD

Re: Albertsons kills rural grocers with land use restrictions

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It's literally just capitalism. This is the point of the economic system. Why are people surprised? Is the propaganda just that good?

It's not really capitalism, but its late stage cancerous form, where businesses grow too big (too close to monopolies) and go unchecked, so the markets start to fail because the competition is killed. I could be wrong, but I think property use restrictions are actually more of a socialist concept. When done right, they're meant to protect others (aka society, in general - not some businesses that don't like having co…

Noncompetes are capitalistic. Property use restrictions aren't inherently capitalist but how they're used in most cases, particularly within the US, they almost always are.

Single family home zoning is the factor in bloated infrastructure and housing prices going up. This protects capital investment of a necessity which ensures exploitation of the working class.

Re: Albertsons kills rural grocers with land use restrictions

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Also nobody was murdered

just metaphorically crushed under the boot of capitalism

You know, I miss the times where these big merger companies at least laid low for a few years before enacting obvious greed. I don't even think the merger is finalized yet and the fact that this kind of stuff isn't a death kiss for the trials is a failure in and of itself.

Re: Albertsons kills rural grocers with land use restrictions

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post #195

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It's not really capitalism, but its late stage cancerous form, where businesses grow too big (too close to monopolies) and go unchecked, so the markets start to fail because the competition is killed. I could be wrong, but I think property use restrictions are actually more of a socialist concept. When done right, they're meant to protect others (aka society, in general - not some businesses that don't like having co…

It is capitalism, and I think this is inherent in all stages of capitalism. The goal of any corporation is to maximize profit, period. In earlier forms, monopolists and oligarchs may have used different levers of power, but it’s all ultimately the same thing. Use whatever means are available to make profit.

Hence why we don't allow unrestricted capitalism

Re: Albertsons kills rural grocers with land use restrictions

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post #71

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It's literally just regulatory capture. It has nothing to do with capitalism. In a truly capitalistic economy, there would be no regulations preventing competitors from coming in and creating competition. The propaganda doesn't have to be good when nobody understands what is and isn't capitalism anyways.

You are incorrect. This has nothing to do with regulations. It's the same as a farmer secretly buying up neighboring already irrigated fields from bankrupt farmers, and not planting on them in order to be able to raise the price on their own crops, assuming that the cost of importing the same crops from elsewhere is prohibitive and there is no other readily arable land nearby (thus they have a monopoly on the local m…

The Onion Futures Act for example.

Re: Albertsons kills rural grocers with land use restrictions

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Same thing since the previous owner is the counterparty for the land sale.

Sure, but it’s a thing that you agreed to when buying the parcel, as part of the overall deal. If you didn’t want that restriction, you may have bid more to get the seller to give that up or you could choose not to buy under those terms.

My point is that such contractual terms should not be enforceable given their anticompetitive impetus.

Re: Albertsons kills rural grocers with land use restrictions

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The way I understand it... If Alice owns land and sells to Bob with some restrictions, that means Alice is still maintaining some ownership of the land. And the price that Bob pays is discounted from the otherwise fair market value, because it has those restrictions on it. Then, if Bob sells it to Charlie, Alice still has an ownership stake (logically speaking) from the restrictions (whether it is land use, or minera…

I don't buy your property tax rationale. You would end up with people paying property tax for their gym memberships and apartment rentals. Those too are contractual encumbrances that would impact a buyer

> You would end up with people paying property tax for their gym memberships and apartment rentals.

Economic theory on tax incidence says otherwise. Land, being inelastic, takes the tax burden. Land tax cannot be passed on to tenants or businesses.

Re: Albertsons kills rural grocers with land use restrictions

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HOAs often restrict freedom of expression which would not be legal if done by a city government. The first amendment, however, only protects against government censorship, not private organization censorship so an HOA can force you to paint over the mural on your garage whereas a city government could not*. Some of this depends on state of course. California, for instance, recognizes HOAs as quasigovernments which im…

> an HOA can force you to paint over the mural on your garage whereas a city government could not*. Zoning ordinances (which are the closest analogy to HOA CC&Rs) restrict all sorts of expression but have been held lawful as long as they can be characterized as a time/place/manner restriction. See https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/zoning-laws/ for a pretty good case law overview.

So, dumb question / political hobby horse riding in: if neighborhood restrictions on political speech are considered a time/place/manner restriction, why doesn't that logic also foreclose the majority opinion in McCutcheon v. FEC[0]? How are campaign contribution limits not a time/place/manner restriction?

If money is speech, then me giving a million dollars to a Senator should be analogous to me with a megaphone shouting down anyone who disagrees with me until their eardrums bleed.

[0] The Supreme Court case that invalidated campaign contribution limits and foisted SuperPACs upon us.

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