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Here is context on the strike, how long it's been brewing, and more that I happened to read yesterday: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/the-new-york-times...

Thank you so much! That is a vastly more informative article. It seems like it's not so much the NYT is opposed to the contract's specifics -- they're opposed to having a contract at all because the union is new. The NYT has been stringing the union along without ever actually signing anything, so now the union has to strike to get the NYT to take them seriously.

Key parts:

> The Tech Guild won its unionization vote in March of 2022, but has yet to agree upon a final contract with management. In September of this year, the Guild voted to authorize a strike with an overwhelming 95 percent (or over 500 members) in favor. The vote marked two and a half years of bargaining with no result. As Harnett puts it, “At some point, you need a deadline.”

> The first key demand is a protection that Times editorial staff already have: just-cause job protections, which would ensure that members cannot be fired without good reason and due process. The editorial staff won this protection in their 2023 News Guild contract, and just weeks ago, 750 Times journalists penned a letter to management urging them to reach a contract with the Tech Guild before Election day.

> The second demand stems from a pay study the union released in June of this year, which found numerous pay discrepancies for women and people of color. According to the study, Black tech workers at the newspaper make 26 percent less than white workers. The study also found that women, who make up over 40 percent of the Tech Guild, earn 12 percent less on average than men, while Black and Hispanic or Latina women earn 33 percent less than white men.

> The third demand in dispute is a frequent source of anxiety for Hoehne in particular: return to office. Currently, many in the Tech Guild work remotely full-time.... Hoehne has been living and working remotely three hours away from the Times office, in upstate New York, since the pandemic began. “I would lose my job. I can’t sell my house. My kid is in daycare. I can’t. All we’re asking is for them to put in writing that we won’t do that to you.”

> But both Hoehne and Harnett don’t think management’s reluctance to settle these demands stems from the particulars of any of the demands themselves; none of them would spark radical changes. The negotiation process has lagged for years, which Times editorial staff experienced en route to their contract as well. Rather, Hoehne said, staring down the barrel of the Election Day strike, management’s immovability feels like it’s more about preventing the union from stabilizing at all.

> “They could easily end all of this with a single phone call or e-mail,” Harnett said. “But they’re making the decision not to. Maybe they don’t believe that we are resolved [to strike]. I don’t know how else to convince them.”

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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> The two sides negotiated until late Sunday. The sticking points in recent days were over whether they could get a “just cause” provision in their contract, which means workers can be terminated only for misconduct or another such reason; pay increases and pay equity; and return-to-office policies. This seems like a LOT of issues that still need to be hammered out. It would be one thing if they were disagreeing abou…

> workers can be terminated only for misconduct or another such reason This is such a weird request for technology workers. You want to work with low-performing coworkers?

As if only low-performing coworkers would be terminated.

The total freedom of the company to terminate anyone any time for any reason or no reason is extreme, and now we are pivoting to the other extreme. Funny how that happens.

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Genuine question: what prevents the NYT from offshoring these jobs if they can be done from home? I feel for you, as a fellow worker, but unless there is something hyper-local about the job such as regulatory requirements or trust issues with IP protection, the jobs will go to the ones who work hard without complaining too much.

I have seen this before and it hit me. What is the point? Is the end goal to just have management in a nice office and all production including hr, finance and IT overseas?? I mean those are office jobs, so they can WFH, so they can be in India or Philipines!! :) Wow saving so much money!!! Does a company work in a country or will they just take and take and take from the country and then not give jobs? Almost making…

Yes! Outsourced HR has been a thing for a while, the same as IT or customer support. Offshoring the dev team makes sense, and offshoring of lower management has started, because it’s just easier if they’re in the same timezone as their team. Obviously senior management is too important to be replaced, for now.

The goal of a company is indeed to make as much money while spending as little as possible. Why hire people when you don’t have to?

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Tech generates more money than the Times. It's the journalists that create the content for the tech end. Without them, there would be no Times tech employees.

To reductio ad absurdum, without the advertisers there'd be no journalists. The problem remains that with the advertisers, there cannot be journalism. Little distinguishes much of american mass-media 'journalism' from a ChatGPT precis of a Press Release or Reuters/AP wire. What does is generally in the form of an Op-Ed, and is generally at the behest or bias of a billionaire or their lobbying proxy. In 2024 this has…

> Little distinguishes much of american mass-media 'journalism' from a ChatGPT precis of a Press Release or Reuters/AP wire.

The Reuters/AP wire is journalism.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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> workers can be terminated only for misconduct or another such reason This is such a weird request for technology workers. You want to work with low-performing coworkers?

Seems like a hiring problem, not a firing problem.

I have lots of experience hiring tech people. Most of the time they turn out to be just as good as we thought they would be. But sometimes they don't. It would be terrible if it was impossible for us to let those people go.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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> The two sides negotiated until late Sunday. The sticking points in recent days were over whether they could get a “just cause” provision in their contract, which means workers can be terminated only for misconduct or another such reason; pay increases and pay equity; and return-to-office policies. This seems like a LOT of issues that still need to be hammered out. It would be one thing if they were disagreeing abou…

> Striking during election week is kind of a crappy move to pull.

If a strike isnt painful for the employer, what incentive do they have to negotiate?

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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> The two sides negotiated until late Sunday. The sticking points in recent days were over whether they could get a “just cause” provision in their contract, which means workers can be terminated only for misconduct or another such reason; pay increases and pay equity; and return-to-office policies. This seems like a LOT of issues that still need to be hammered out. It would be one thing if they were disagreeing abou…

Negotiations have been going on for 2 years, and the strike was approved in September. This isn’t a spur-of-the-moment, attention-seeking thing and was totally preventable by NYT.

https://www.axios.com/2024/09/10/nyt-tech-union-strike-vote

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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> In what world should a UNION of the workers care about the COMPANY? Some unions are more powerful than companies (think UAW). They're able to negotiate terms that are bad for the long-term health of the company, and not having backgrounds in running companies, union leaders might not be thinking about that.

All companies are more powerful than individual workers (think anywhere without a union). They're able to negotiate terms that are bad for the long-term health of the human workers, and not having backgrounds in caring about people and only money, CEOs might not be thinking about that.

Unions look out for workers. That's their priority. They should not cater to the business.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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I am also a member of the union at NPR, on the subway headed to the picket line in solidarity right now. Happy to answer any questions. I encourage everyone to respect the picket line and get your news elsewhere until the workers get a deal. The Times Workers are holding the line against arbitrary return to office mandates and for Just Cause protections. The vast majority of HN consists of developers, designers, QA,…

According to Maggie Astor, news is not behind the picket line - NYT Games and Cooking are BEHIND THE PICKET LINE. Please don’t play or engage with Games or Cooking content while the strike lasts! News coverage — including election coverage — is NOT behind the picket line. It’s okay to read and share that, though the site and app may very well have problems. https://bsky.app/profile/maggieastor.bsky.social/post/3la4qg…

> NYT Games and Cooking are BEHIND THE PICKET LINE. Please don’t play or engage with Games or Cooking content while the strike lasts!

If I pay for a service, I expect it to be available.

It’s not my job to track the status of labor disputes - it’s the job of the NYTimes (the organization) to ensure they deliver that service.

If they can’t, because they are dealing with ongoing labor disputes, then I’ll probably complain and cancel. The threat of those cancellations seems like plenty enough leverage for a striking union.

I don’t understand why I would need to preemptively refrain from a service I’ve already paid for.

Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> workers can be terminated only for misconduct or another such reason This is such a weird request for technology workers. You want to work with low-performing coworkers?

As if only low-performing coworkers would be terminated. The total freedom of the company to terminate anyone any time for any reason or no reason is extreme, and now we are pivoting to the other extreme. Funny how that happens.

"Just cause" provisions are about an inch away from arbitrary termination, they are hardly "the other extreme."
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