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The Ultimate Counterfeiter Isn’t a Crook — He’s an Artist

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Re: The Ultimate Counterfeiter Isn’t a Crook — He’s an Artist

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CIA? What exactly did they do?

The previous comment is probably misremembering; the U.S. Secret Service is responsible for investigating counterfeiting, which seems pretty odd if you're only familiar with them as personal security for presidents.

I find it somewhat interesting that the Secret Service protects bills issued by the Federal Reserve which is nominatively a "private" entity.

Re: The Ultimate Counterfeiter Isn’t a Crook — He’s an Artist

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Considering that the central banks have conjured trillions of dollars and euros out of thin air, this story this seems sadly quaint...

All money is "conjured" to some extent. Cash has no intrinsic value (you can't eat it or use it to build a house); it only has value because we as a society accept that it does, and accept that governments have the power to print it. Counterfeiting as described in the article is a violation of that social contract. Perhaps you think that all money is counterfeit because banks print it, or something, and that we should instead operate on an economy built around trading shells or bison, but even if that's the case, societal expectations clearly differentiate between what banks do and what this guy did, so if "counterfeiting" is the wrong word to describe the latter and not the former, feel free to suggest a more precise term.

Re: The Ultimate Counterfeiter Isn’t a Crook — He’s an Artist

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I think a great part of that frustration is down to long-form magazine features being ported to wired.com, where brevity is better suited to the web-page form. Personally, I think almost all of the writing in Wired is excellent - well crafted and edited and laid out within interesting designs. Yes, while there are pretty common 'paint a picture' set-ups and more detail about the actual people involved than you'd get…

I have the exact same revulsion to this style writing when I see it in print. The only upside is that, in print, it's easier for me to skip through the article and get to the actual content.

See the think you are doing here is being completely and utterly disingenuous. What you are talking about as content is a list of facts of the event. What you are pissed about is a list of facts about the person involved. I like the facts about the person involved, the circumstance and some speculation about their mindset. I like that, if you want facts about the sequence of events, read a crime report. Or even better, don't read the article, you don't have to just because it is there. If you have revulsion, find a medium that works for you, they exist, don't complain.

Re: The Ultimate Counterfeiter Isn’t a Crook — He’s an Artist

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I read an article about it a long time ago. The minimum penalties are draconian. An example from the 80s was a kid who had been making photocopies of $1 bills and feeding them into a change machine for free candy. The minimum penalty at the time was something like $100,000. Today they are higher. You don't want to mess with them. Governments take money seriously. For example everyone knows that Isaac Newton was a gre…

Few know? That's part of every grammar school boys education. Or was, in my day. Newton sending a couple of dozen men off to Tyburn to be hanged, drawn and quartered was quite memorable.

This is news to me and I am known for knowing obscure historical tidbits.

Re: The Ultimate Counterfeiter Isn’t a Crook — He’s an Artist

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Do you complain that movies take too long with the plot when you haven't seen the villain vanquished by the 5-minute mark?

No. Movies are there primarily to entertain. News stories are there to inform. If I wanted the dramatic, drawn-out version, I'd see the "based on a true story!" version. There are lots of events I could be learning about in a day, and I'd like to be able to get the important stuff out of a new story and go on to the other stuff. In contrast, you can't similarly shorten a movie while sticking to its purpose (usually).

Then don't read stories from sources that are known to contextualize rather than report the facts. It's like you keep touching a hot stove, and complain how it keeps burning you.

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But, this isn't math! It's a story, with characters and a plot. The intrigue is baked-in because it makes for an enjoyable read. Sure, the details are interesting, but there's nothing wrong with telling an interesting story with interesting details in an interesting way. "First this happened and then this happened and then this happened..." is not how you tell a story, regardless of whether or not the story happens t…

If I want an artistic short story in magazine form, I'll read the New Yorker. But this is Wired, and the material facts of this story are the only interesting part. I guess it's possible that a gifted author could wrap these fact with a human-interest element in a way that is worthwhile while still communicating an essential idea ("The Last Question" by Asimov comes to mind). But, by experience, this just isn't withi…

In response to your reply to me:

I think we're both arguing with emotion here. You said you hated the style and it's rarely done well. I happen to think that Wired isn't a scholarly journal, and fact + emotional narrative can be really enjoyable to read if used appropriately (and I happened to enjoy reading the article). I guess I'm objecting to how you evaluated an entire genre of narrative style. There is irony in using your emotional response to a writing style to argue for a more objective or scientific approach to journalism.

TLDR: "It's not science"

Re: The Ultimate Counterfeiter Isn’t a Crook — He’s an Artist

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post #41

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CIA? What exactly did they do?

The previous comment is probably misremembering; the U.S. Secret Service is responsible for investigating counterfeiting, which seems pretty odd if you're only familiar with them as personal security for presidents.

That is pretty interesting that the Secret Service deals with more than protecting VIPs. I googled a bit, a turns out they were originally created by Lincoln as a division of the Treasury to combat counterfeiting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secret_Service#Hi...

Re: The Ultimate Counterfeiter Isn’t a Crook — He’s an Artist

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If I want an artistic short story in magazine form, I'll read the New Yorker. But this is Wired, and the material facts of this story are the only interesting part. I guess it's possible that a gifted author could wrap these fact with a human-interest element in a way that is worthwhile while still communicating an essential idea ("The Last Question" by Asimov comes to mind). But, by experience, this just isn't withi…

In response to your reply to me: I think we're both arguing with emotion here. You said you hated the style and it's rarely done well. I happen to think that Wired isn't a scholarly journal, and fact + emotional narrative can be really enjoyable to read if used appropriately (and I happened to enjoy reading the article). I guess I'm objecting to how you evaluated an entire genre of narrative style. There is irony in…

I have an emotional response to crappy statistical analyses too (really), but that hardly negates any critique of such an analysis I would write.

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If I want an artistic short story in magazine form, I'll read the New Yorker. But this is Wired, and the material facts of this story are the only interesting part. I guess it's possible that a gifted author could wrap these fact with a human-interest element in a way that is worthwhile while still communicating an essential idea ("The Last Question" by Asimov comes to mind). But, by experience, this just isn't withi…

the material facts of this story are the only interesting part. The facts are simple: 1. some guy made good counterfeit money 2. he got caught through a series of mistakes a. sloppy waste disposal b. over trusting This is the same pattern as for most crimes. Seriously, minus the murder bit, it's a law and order episode. What I want to know, is not the predictable sequence of events, but who would do this, why would t…

> This is the same pattern as for most crimes. Seriously, minus the murder bit, it's a law and order episode.

I guess that's why the original Law & Order is one of the few TV shows I like.

> What I want to know, is not the predictable sequence of events, but who would do this, why would they do this, tell me the thought process that leads to these actions.

I also want to know all this, so I think you may have misunderstood my position. (This applies to your other comment where you call me disingenuous for no good reason.) What I don't want is stuff like "Tourists milled about the platz in front of the cathedral, Germany’s most visited landmark, craning their necks to snap pictures of the impossibly intricate spires jutting toward the heavens.", nor do I want teaser paragraphs endings to keep me hooked on the article as if I would stop reading it without them.

Re: The Ultimate Counterfeiter Isn’t a Crook — He’s an Artist

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The reason I added that EDIT is because I actually hadn't read that far down yet - I was just referring to his first counterfeiting gig when I first posted the comment: inline search the article for "Kuhl’s counterfeiting career had begun a decade earlier" and read from there. Of course you have no basis for your claim that he would have eventually found a buyer. This is a "manufactured criminal" and the police certa…

Nerd brain recoiling in attempt to square first sentence of this comment with last one.

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