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Reasonable Person Principle
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#32Caltech's Honor Code is simply: "No member of the Caltech community shall take unfair advantage of any other member of the Caltech community." - https://deans.caltech.edu/HonorCode
Does this cover e.g. helping people in another class cheat?
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#33Now add a few unreasonable people to the mix, and see what happens to your cultural norms.
A bracing introduction to the Paradox of Tolerance!
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "No member of the Caltech community shall take unfair advantage of any other member of the Caltech community." That's great, but I wonder why not just: > "No member of the Caltech community shall take unfair advantage of any other person."
If you insist on following an honor code while competing against people who are ready to take an unfair advantage of you, you lose.
> If you insist on following an honor code while competing against people who are ready to take an unfair advantage of you, you lose.
"Unfair" is in there. If you are competing against a person who will pull out all the stops against you, then there is nothing unfair about pulling out all the stops against them.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "No member of the Caltech community shall take unfair advantage of any other member of the Caltech community." That's great, but I wonder why not just: > "No member of the Caltech community shall take unfair advantage of any other person."
If you insist on following an honor code while competing against people who are ready to take an unfair advantage of you, you lose.
So nothing would change since some Caltech members are also ready
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#36Caltech's Honor Code is simply: "No member of the Caltech community shall take unfair advantage of any other member of the Caltech community." - https://deans.caltech.edu/HonorCode
Does this cover e.g. helping people in another class cheat?
Yes. At Caltech, you'd be socially ostracized by your friends if people knew you were cheating, or helping another person cheat.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does this cover e.g. helping people in another class cheat?
Yes. At Caltech, you'd be socially ostracized by your friends if people knew you were cheating, or helping another person cheat.
That wasn't really my question. I was asking if the person helping other people in another class cheat would be violating the honor code. Not whether your friends would ostracize you if they find out you're cheating.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Personally, I question the need for CoCs. It seemed they simply started appearing everywhere one day as if following some sort of trend. People organize together everyday in numerous different professional, community and private settings…with no need for a special set of governing rules for behavior.
CoCs arose because of endemic abuses that were not organically curbed, sadly.
Not sure one should believe that - everyone with even mild experience of public spaces knows that at the end of the day rules are enforced by people. Doesn't matter if you pour a few liters of woke over the system, it's still the same system.
I'm ready to believe in a conspiracy theory around codes of conduct, actually.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
> ever That bar is way too low.
I agree with you, the earlier post says people only do things out of self-interest, and I was surprised that nobody else had disagreed or mentioned it’s an unfortunate way to see the world.
I think that mindset is held by most people, most of the time. But not all people at all times. If you're in that mindset, however, the mindset itself may taint your perception of how often others are in the same mindset, which I suspect (hope?) may be the case for the person who wrote the original statement. I suspect (hope?) that person has done at least one selfless ethical/nice/kind thing at some point in their lifetime.