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On the flip side; it makes it incredibly difficult to pull off wide scale fraud. Instead of having to compromise a single system, you are forced to compromise dozens or hundreds of systems run by people with opposing ideologies
Wide scale fraud isn't necessary when elections are decided by 10k votes.
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An interesting aside: I’m an overseas Colorado voter. They lump me in with the military voters so my voting process is super easy (I’m sure certain groups would love to make this harder, but not for the troops). I get an email that my ballot is ready, I go to the CO website, authenticate with my SSN (fucking yikes), fill out my ballot online, print a copy to pdf, slap a digital signature on there, and email it back t…
When you disregard basic voting security, everything becomes super easy. Mail-in voting allows for vote buying, the only way to avoid this is by having a private in person voting booth so the person voting cannot prove to the outside world who they voted for. Even this isn't secure now, because everyone can just photograph their voting card within the booth.
You're proposing that secret vote-buying conspiracy is going on and thousands of people are all keeping their mouth shut in order to keep getting that... $10, $50, $100 bribe?
I don’t know why this is so hard in America. All other developed countries make this work, what are Americans lacking? The system is just: - Keep a list of citizens allowed to vote - Print paper ballots with the names of the candidates - ask for a proper ID with photograph - collect the votes - count them by hand with the oversee of representatives of the candidates That’s it, that’s all there’s to it and we count 99…
You're leaving out that a good portion of developed countries also offer some form of voting by mail. Some US states have rules in place that dictate any mail-in ballots can only be counted starting on election day - since they take more time to process (for verification etc.), this creates large delays in individual states. Also the photo ID part is different in the US, since there's no uniform governmental ID that…
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Couldn't a church just require congregants to send a picture of their ballot from inside a voting booth? Is there any basis in reality for this?
> Couldn’t a church just require congregants to send a picture of their ballot from inside a voting booth? They could, though there are some problems with that: (1) It is generally illegal to ask people to do that, (2) Voters could “comply” with such a demand and simply mark a ballot the way the church wanted, take a picture, tell poll workers they had made an error marking their ballot and needed a replacement, have…
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You're leaving out that a good portion of developed countries also offer some form of voting by mail. Some US states have rules in place that dictate any mail-in ballots can only be counted starting on election day - since they take more time to process (for verification etc.), this creates large delays in individual states. Also the photo ID part is different in the US, since there's no uniform governmental ID that…
Vote by mail is completely negligible in countries where the described process works fine.
Are you trying to say that the process doesn't work fine in Germany?
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Vote by mail is completely negligible in countries where the described process works fine.
As an example, in the 2021 election in Germany 47.3% of votes were cast by mail: https://www.destatis.de/EN/Press/2022/01/PE22_036_14.html Are you trying to say that the process doesn't work fine in Germany?
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An interesting aside: I’m an overseas Colorado voter. They lump me in with the military voters so my voting process is super easy (I’m sure certain groups would love to make this harder, but not for the troops). I get an email that my ballot is ready, I go to the CO website, authenticate with my SSN (fucking yikes), fill out my ballot online, print a copy to pdf, slap a digital signature on there, and email it back t…
When you disregard basic voting security, everything becomes super easy. Mail-in voting allows for vote buying, the only way to avoid this is by having a private in person voting booth so the person voting cannot prove to the outside world who they voted for. Even this isn't secure now, because everyone can just photograph their voting card within the booth.
Vote buying also does not appear to be a problem in the US electoral system, as another commented pointed out: in order to make a difference in the election, you’d have to buy enough votes that someone would be bound to tell on you.
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As an example, in the 2021 election in Germany 47.3% of votes were cast by mail: https://www.destatis.de/EN/Press/2022/01/PE22_036_14.html Are you trying to say that the process doesn't work fine in Germany?
I’m arguing it’s not a factor. In Portugal vote by mail is negligible and we get the results late the same night.
So what is your point?
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I believe the idea is that random audits check whether the barcode matches the human-readable part, and in the extremely unlikely even problems are found they simply hand-recount _all_ the ballots ignoring the barcode.
Can you find any website or document that validates that these "random audits" are done? By whom and on what cadence? I've not been able to find anything like this. Just hand-waving, assertions that "someone does something," and so on.