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Colorado scrambles to change voting-system passwords after accidental leak

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Re: Colorado scrambles to change voting-system passwords after accidental leak

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Post by anigbrowl »

gruez wrote: post #115
anigbrowl wrote: post #68

Interestingly, a website set up to document voter fraud by Mike 'My Pillow' Lindell has collected hundreds of election law violations, many in Colorado. For some reason they are all dated for the future though. Might be a warning signal about not populating your database where the public can watch you doing it. https://archive.ph/smlSQ (capture of https://electionnexus.com from earlier today)

Is the site satire? There's basically no information of each "incident" aside from the state and a bunch of hashtags.

No it's his real site afaik. I'm guessing they put in some fake data for testing purposes but are not very competent. I'd hate to think that they were just making shit up.

Re: Colorado scrambles to change voting-system passwords after accidental leak

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Post by SoftTalker »

CaliforniaKarl wrote: post #85
wannacboatmovie wrote: post #69

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> You would think AI/ML could help with fraud detection. I think that's a very big leap to make, that the ballots are going to where they're going because of fraud. Hanlon's razor applies. > ballot box stuffing Ballot-box stuffing happens when more ballots are cast than there are people who voted. This is difficult to do when voting by mail. Indeed, from the article: > LeVan Hodson told KING 5, "Even if someone gets…

The signature on my voting registration is the one I used when I first registered 40 years ago when I was still in high school. It’s quite different from my signature today, and it’s never been challenged.

Re: Colorado scrambles to change voting-system passwords after accidental leak

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Post by echoangle »

ForHackernews wrote: post #100
wannacboatmovie wrote: post #94

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Are you saying the video was made by an election worker prepping machines in a back room? These were deployed machines used in early voting. The amount of willingness to excuse incompetency here is unbelievable.

Incompetence is not malice. I just googled for more info: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/1... > Laurel County Clerk Tony Brown addressed the issue in a statement, saying the machine was temporarily taken out of service while an investigator from the Attorney General's Office was called to inspect the machine. Investigators tried to recreate the anomaly and were able to do so after spending…

> Marking machines allow voters to make their selections for their ballot and then physically print them to be cast and counted.

As someone not from the US: Why do you need that? What’s the advantage over manually filling out a piece of paper? The machine can’t use the data of printed ballots for anything if I can print multiple ballots, so it’s just a glorified pen making a checkmark?

Re: Colorado scrambles to change voting-system passwords after accidental leak

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Post by echoangle »

samarthr1 wrote: post #12
recursivecaveat wrote: post #9

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I never understood the desire to have any kind of machine at all. Paper ballots are a perfectly efficient and scalable system used for many large elections. Even if complicated machines are theoretically safe against malfeasance, keeping it simple increases public confidence.

Scale is a bit of an issue. We need results in as short a time as possible, ws have about 100 crore registered voters, of whom about 70% on average vote, meaning that the ECI must process 70 Crore votes, in under 10 hours. Making that happen in a free and fair way is a logistical challenge, one that we undertake every 5 years. One more large advantage of EVMs is making booth capture very expensive (because EVMs have…

For everyone wondering: 100 crore is 1 billion, 70 crore is 700 million.

Why do you need the result in under 10 hours?

Re: Colorado scrambles to change voting-system passwords after accidental leak

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Post by BurningFrog »

gruez wrote: post #79
quercusa wrote: post #63

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You get to feed the ballot into the (literal) black box yourself, it beeps and tells you your vote has been recorded. What did it record? Who knows?

> What did it record? Who knows? How is it any different than traditional voting, where you drop your ballot into a black box and trust the poll workers would count it correctly? You can do random spot checks select boxes to make sure the machine is tabulating correctly. If they're all correct, you can be reasonably sure the others are correct as well, unless your adversary has incredible luck.

In a serious voting system the paper ballots are saved and can be recounted by hand.

I've worked in elections in Sweden, and all elections are recounted at least twice, by different people.

Re: Colorado scrambles to change voting-system passwords after accidental leak

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Post by SoftTalker »

jfengel wrote: post #81
recursivecaveat wrote: post #9

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I never understood the desire to have any kind of machine at all. Paper ballots are a perfectly efficient and scalable system used for many large elections. Even if complicated machines are theoretically safe against malfeasance, keeping it simple increases public confidence.

Tell me you're under 24 years old without telling me you're under 24 years old. The US 2000 election was a fiasco of the failures of paper ballots. Officials spent weeks scrutinizing ballots and to this day nobody thinks they got it correct to within the margin of error. That's when electronic machines came in. They are not necessarily better, but nobody who lived through that nightmare thinks fondly of the clarity o…

Those were punch card ballots and trying to determine if indented or “hanging chads” were votes or not

Re: Colorado scrambles to change voting-system passwords after accidental leak

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Post by dragonwriter »

cwalv wrote: post #157
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #134

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It's not so much about errors tbh - paper votes can be re-counted as often as needed. The fear is that voting machines are insecure, its input or results tampered with, and then you can't do a recount. Unless they generate a paper receipt as well that the voter has to confirm before the vote is counted.

The machine prints a paper record at the same time. Couldn't they just read off the paper record as easily as recounting paper ballots?

The voter-verified paper record for use in audit (including recount) purposes has been a federal law requirement in effect since January 1, 2006, for voting machines (adopted under the Help America Vote Act of 2002.)

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Post by IncreasePosts »

pessimizer wrote: post #56
Sparkle-san wrote: post #38

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Colorado uses paper ballots. It's an all-mail voting state so every voter is mailed a paper ballot which is then dropped off or mailed back.

Mail-in ballots are worst of all, and the people who advocate for their expansion will regret it when they see entire church memberships filling out their ballots together, checking each other to make sure they voted correctly, and shunning, expelling, or firing people who don't participate. There are currently many heads of household voting for their entire families, and even aside from mail-in ballots, there are pe…

Couldn't a church just require congregants to send a picture of their ballot from inside a voting booth?

Is there any basis in reality for this?

Re: Colorado scrambles to change voting-system passwords after accidental leak

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Post by [deleted] »

anigbrowl wrote: post #68

Interestingly, a website set up to document voter fraud by Mike 'My Pillow' Lindell has collected hundreds of election law violations, many in Colorado. For some reason they are all dated for the future though. Might be a warning signal about not populating your database where the public can watch you doing it. https://archive.ph/smlSQ (capture of https://electionnexus.com from earlier today)

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Re: Colorado scrambles to change voting-system passwords after accidental leak

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Post by echoangle »

c1ccccc1 wrote: post #159
mFixman wrote: post #26

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"Prove that you voted for Putin or you are out of a job".

Cryptographers are clever and have figured out a way to let you know your vote was counted without being able to prove it to a third party! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYRTvoZ3Rho

Can the average person trust this though?
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