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Colorado scrambles to change voting-system passwords after accidental leak

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> You would think AI/ML could help with fraud detection. I think that's a very big leap to make, that the ballots are going to where they're going because of fraud. Hanlon's razor applies. > ballot box stuffing Ballot-box stuffing happens when more ballots are cast than there are people who voted. This is difficult to do when voting by mail. Indeed, from the article: > LeVan Hodson told KING 5, "Even if someone gets…

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There’s videos of it malfunctioning.

Eg, https://x.com/DawnLisArmy/status/1852010240343982167

Telling people to “shut the fuck up” about documented voting irregularities is how civil wars actually start — because it causes people to lose confidence in the electoral process.

We should use our words, like adults.

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> What did it record? Who knows? How is it any different than traditional voting, where you drop your ballot into a black box and trust the poll workers would count it correctly? You can do random spot checks select boxes to make sure the machine is tabulating correctly. If they're all correct, you can be reasonably sure the others are correct as well, unless your adversary has incredible luck.

In traditional voting, there is a pretty decent chance you know the person who does the counting or can find someone in your community who can personally vouch for them. Living in my small town at one stage, I knew several of the tabulators personally and all of them by reputation. That is an extreme case, but even in a city these people are somewhat known quantities. With a voting machine that wasn't verified by a h…

Seriously?

You are saying that you just trust some people not to manipulate the votes?

Why not use a Merkle Tree or a Blockchain to verify that your vote was included in the total ?

They were invented to remove trust in middlemen. Mutually distrusting parties can maintain the vote tallying. That’s how elections should be done.

Re: Colorado scrambles to change voting-system passwords after accidental leak

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My point is “video of thing happening on social” media is worth essentially nothing these days

Yeah, if it is a problem then the person that cannot vote for their intended candidate (I presume it's a two step process - select, then confirm) should flag it up at the officials and the machines shut down / replaced / fixed and its manufacturer shitcanned. There's procedures for this, and instead of ragebaiting on social media there should be a firm and conclusive response. Nothing wrong with paper votes.

They tried.

Officials only pulled the machine once it went viral on social media — because the state regularly suppresses and ignores citizen concerns.

Political parties use social media to detect and focus their efforts — eg, where voters were turned away in PA, videos of that on social media drew enough attention the RNC sued and won an order forcing the polling places to remain open for longer.

Why do people act like social media isn’t a relevant form of communication and organization?

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More bits of paper. The ballot papers around here are bloated oversize monstrosities (picture A3 sized) due to the number of parties and candidates but you get a separate one for each election. Unfortunately not every area is paper only.

Here we don't even put names on the ballot, instead there is number assigned for each, this scales up to hundreds of candidates. This does prevent write ins, but I see no reason why you could not have own ballot for each purpose and then say colour code them and append letter or two in front of each candidate for each election.

I don't see how the median voter can be confident in making no mistakes. Not even programmers are willing to write out a list of opcodes anymore.

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Once you look past individual anecdotes, the actual rate of voter fraud with mail voting is tiny compared to the voting population. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/minuscule-number-of-...

Because of how the electoral college works, and because of how tight the margins are, you don't need to have or enable fraud on a massive scale to cheat. All that's needed is putting your thumb on the scale in a few select jurisdictions and that could tip the scales one way or the other. It's within the realm of probability that the presidential election will be decided by < 50k voters nationwide.

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Once you look past individual anecdotes, the actual rate of voter fraud with mail voting is tiny compared to the voting population. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/minuscule-number-of-...

>Once you look past individual anecdotes, the actual rate of voter fraud with mail voting is tiny compared to the voting population. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/minuscule-number-of- ... that's hardly reassuring given how close this election is going predicted to be. >The median scenario from our forecast has Ms Harris winning her pivotal 270th electoral-college vote by less than half a percentage point. h…

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Half a percentage point is orders of magnitude bigger than a 0.0025% fraud rate.

That fraud rate is obviously wrong: There’s more than 4000 questionable ballots in the entire US election.

>There’s more than 4000 questionable ballots in the entire US election.

source? The most I can find is this: https://lancasteronline.com/news/local/4-000-mail-in-voters-...

which provides no information for why the ballots were "questionable".

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It's not, but I'm saying you have the option to compare the two with an outside reference at the time of voting. You keeping the result on your phone after would be entirely your decision.

>You keeping the result on your phone after would be entirely your decision. And what happens if baddies come to your house before the election, and say that after election day they'll check up on you, and if you don't they'll beat you up?

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Re: Colorado scrambles to change voting-system passwords after accidental leak

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Please correct me where I'm mistaken. * This password list has been public for a long time, and is easy to access: hidden excel column on a public spreadsheet. * BIOS access means the intruder can change boot devices, boot their own OS, infect the BIOS with a virus, change boot devices back, compromise the vote host OS. * Keycard security isn't tight security. Any amature physical penetration tester would just use a…

Here’s a telling interview by someone doing journalism rather than running cover: https://youtu.be/NLi-0WI-f7M?si=o8qktF4d25E3oJ-s

It’s interesting that she made excuses for herself but previously had no quarter for someone who landed in similar position.

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