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An Update on Apple M1/M2 GPU Drivers

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Re: An Update on Apple M1/M2 GPU Drivers

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I have the opposite experience. Apple is incredibly difficult and expensive to repair. But I have been pleasantly surprised by the longevity and repairability of ThinkPads. I like those Apple M processors, but I know where I'm spending my money.

Yes, modern macs are stupidly hard to repair. But I am never using any Lenovo product again since the whole rootkit incident.

How about Purism and System76?

Re: An Update on Apple M1/M2 GPU Drivers

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I have the opposite experience. Apple is incredibly difficult and expensive to repair. But I have been pleasantly surprised by the longevity and repairability of ThinkPads. I like those Apple M processors, but I know where I'm spending my money.

Yes, MacBooks are generally more expensive to repair, but they also tend to not need repairs. It’s quite normal to hear from people who are using their 7+ year old MacBook without any issues and are still perfectly happy with it. I myself still use my 2018 MacBook Pro as my main device. When considering longevity, I will agree that Thinkpads are probably the only device that can compete with MacBooks. But there are t…

It's also hard to beat the global network of on-site warranty service. One colleague had their broken TP keyboard replaced over an hour right next to us and got a fresh battery replacement >2y in.

Another one managed to sort out their dead TP motherboard while remoting from a small town in SEA.

All covered under warranty, no questions asked.

Re: An Update on Apple M1/M2 GPU Drivers

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One thing I noticed in the M4 macbook announcement comments was how many people were happy with their M1 laptop, and second, how many people kept their Macbooks for nearly a decade; these devices are built to last, and I applaud long-term support from Apple itself and the Linux community. Second, since it's open source, Apple themselves are probably paying attention; I didn't read the whole thing because it's going o…

I have the opposite experience. Apple is incredibly difficult and expensive to repair. But I have been pleasantly surprised by the longevity and repairability of ThinkPads. I like those Apple M processors, but I know where I'm spending my money.

I found the thinkpads were too easily warped.

Re: An Update on Apple M1/M2 GPU Drivers

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Yes, MacBooks are generally more expensive to repair, but they also tend to not need repairs. It’s quite normal to hear from people who are using their 7+ year old MacBook without any issues and are still perfectly happy with it. I myself still use my 2018 MacBook Pro as my main device. When considering longevity, I will agree that Thinkpads are probably the only device that can compete with MacBooks. But there are t…

> MacBooks are going to be lighter Not going let Macs have this one, my X1 carbon is considerably lighter than a MBA. But generally agreeing. My last X1C lasted 8 years and still works perfectly, I just wanted an upgrade. My new one is even lighter than my old one. I opt for the FHD w/o touch screen and the second best processor to balance battery life and performance. Definitely not getting 18hrs battery life but 8-…

The 12-inch macbook was probably the best computer I've ever used in my life. I don't think anyone has come close to its weight. Apparently it weighs in at 2.03 pounds.

Sadly, I don't think we'll ever get a computer that good from apple (or anyone) again.

Re: An Update on Apple M1/M2 GPU Drivers

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This statement isn't true at all. There are tons of fixed function hardware units for graphics in GPUs in addition to compute cores: triangle rasterizers, texture units, raytracing units, blitters, copy engines, video codecs, etc. They interact with the shader/compute cores and it's getting more common that the shader core is driving the rasterizer etc than vice versa (mesh shaders and ray tracing for example). Calli…

How is verifying against a worse performing, open source GPU driver any sort of verification that proprietary drivers do not do special things you wouldn’t expect?

Because it would reveal the lack of emulation in the open-source driver, demonstrating that there are specialized hardware blocks performing those functions.

Re: An Update on Apple M1/M2 GPU Drivers

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Let me get this 100% straight, rendering light the exact same way reality itself does it is a gimmick? In any case, RT isn't just about getting pretty graphics. It massively lowers the artists' workload since there's no need to painstakingly go through each in-game area and add fake lights to make everything look good. No gaming studio will pass up on the opportunity to get better graphics and better productivity. It…

> Let me get this 100% straight, rendering light the exact same way reality itself does it is a gimmick? Yes, because "Rendering light the exact same way reality itself does it" was never the assignment, outside of nvidia desperately trying to find excuses to sell more GPUs. Maybe some games would benefit from it in some cases... but you have to weigh that marginal improvement against the increased costs, both econom…

Apple wishes ray tracing was AI acceleration, because then they could at least ride the Nvidia valuation pump. But the truth is even less glamorous than that - this is a feature for the future, something for posterity. It's a well-researched field of fixed-function acceleration with multiple competitive implementations, unlike AI architectures. What's else, in 3-5 years you can bet your bottom dollar Apple will announce their CUDA alternative alongside a new Mac Pro. You can't even confidently say I'm joking since they've already done this (and subsequently depreciated it) once before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCL#OpenCL_1.0

I guess I can't blame HN for courting pedestrian takes, but man you're going to be disappointed by Apple's roadmap going forward if this is your opinion. And I say this, defending Apple, as someone that treats Tim Cook and Steve Jobs as the living and buried devil respectively. Having hardware-accelerated ray tracing is no more of a "gamer" feature than the high-impedance headphone jack is an "audiophile" feature. It is intelligent design motivated by a desire to accommodate a user's potential use-case. Removing either would be a net-negative at this point.

Re: An Update on Apple M1/M2 GPU Drivers

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Yes, modern macs are stupidly hard to repair. But I am never using any Lenovo product again since the whole rootkit incident.

How about Purism and System76?

So the choice is now mediocre and high quality?

Re: An Update on Apple M1/M2 GPU Drivers

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I have the opposite experience. Apple is incredibly difficult and expensive to repair. But I have been pleasantly surprised by the longevity and repairability of ThinkPads. I like those Apple M processors, but I know where I'm spending my money.

Yes, MacBooks are generally more expensive to repair, but they also tend to not need repairs. It’s quite normal to hear from people who are using their 7+ year old MacBook without any issues and are still perfectly happy with it. I myself still use my 2018 MacBook Pro as my main device. When considering longevity, I will agree that Thinkpads are probably the only device that can compete with MacBooks. But there are t…

Please mention the trackpad. Apple’s ones are hard to beat.
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