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The Mac Studio hasn't been updated yet. The equation changes once it's also on the M4 Max and Ultra.

Does it? What can it do better than M4 / 128GB…

Well, judging by the M1 and M2, the M4 Ultra will support 256GB of memory, so there's that. And it will have 2x the GPU and 2x the CPU cores...

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My best Apple purchases in 20 years of being their customer: The Macbook M1 Pro 16 inch and the Pro Display XDR. When Steve Jobs died I really thought Apple was done, but their most flawless products (imho) came much later.

Yeah, don’t forget the 10 dark years between the Butterfly Keyboard Macbook Pro 2016, the Emoji Macbook Air, until the restoration of the USB ports… around 2022. That was truely the dark age of Apple.

Those were the Ive Unleashed years.

Unbridled control over all design in one hyper opinionated guy was an error well resolved.

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How impressed should I be. In terms of Apples history of manufacturing chips compared to, say, intel. This is their 4th generation of the M chip and it seems to be so far ahead of intel, a company with significant bigger history of chip production.

They were in the PowerPC consortium starting in 1991, co-developed ARM6 starting in the late 80s and the M series chips are part of the Apple Silicon family that goes back to at least 2010's Apple A4 (with non-Apple branded chips before then). They've been in the chip designing business for a while.

> back to at least 2010's Apple A4

basically Jim Keller happened, I think they are still riding on that architecture

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So what is the role of the Mac Studio now? It only has: - faster memory and up to 192 GB. - 1 ekstra Thunderbolt port. That is not much for such a large price difference: Mac Mini (fastest CPU, 64 GB ram, 1 TB SSD, 10 GbE): $2500 Mac Studio (fastest CPU, 64 GB ram, 1 TB SSD, 10 GbE): $5000

> Mac Mini (fastest CPU, 64 GB ram, 1 TB SSD, 10 GbE): $2500

> Mac Studio (fastest CPU, 64 GB ram, 1 TB SSD, 10 GbE): $5000

In those configurations, the Studio would have roughly 2x the GPU power of the Mini, with equivalent CPU power. It also has twice as many Thunderbolt ports (albeit TB4 instead of TB5), and can support more monitors.

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Yes, but I suspect the 64GB of memory in the studio compared to 24GB in the mini the is going to make that studio a lot faster in many real-world scenarios.

In that case, you can get the mini with 64GB of memory for $1999.

It would be $2,199 for the highest end CPU and the 64GB of memory but I think you're point remains: the Studio is not a great buy until it receives the M4 upgrades.

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What's crazy is that the M4 Pro is in the Mac mini, something so tiny can handle that chip. The Mac Studio with the M4 Max will be awesome but the Mini is remarkable.

Here's the geekbench link https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8593555 How/where are they getting 128gb of ram? I don't see that as an option for any of the pre-orders pages. Still pretty impressive, I get 1217/10097 with dual xeon gold 6136 that doubles as a space heater in the winter.

Switch to M4 Max 16-core CPU, it will unlock 64 and 128GB options for memory.

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Does anyone know if this Mac Mini can survive longer than a year? Apple's approach to hardware design doesn't prioritize thermal issues*. In fact, the form factor is why I'm leaning toward taking a pass - I don't want a Mac Mini I would have to replace every 12 months. * or rather, Apple doesn't target low enough temperatures to keep machines healthy beyond warranty

I'm not sure why you think it would be worse than a MacBook Air which literally has no fan

Are the new MacBook Airs the ones that have throttling issues due to heat?

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I think that machine is this M1 Pro MBP I'm using right now, and will probably still be using in 20 years.

Agreed. It might share the title with the M1 Air which was incredible for an ultraportable, but the M1MBP was just incredible period. Three generations later it's still more machine than most people need. M2/3/4 sped things up but the M1 set the bar.

The airs are incredible. I’ve been doing all my personal dev work on an M2 Air for years, it’s the best laptop I’ve ever owned.

I’m only compelled to upgrade for more ram, but I only feel the pressure of 8gb in rare cases. (I do wish I could swap the ram)

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If it's a M1 Macbook Air there's a very good reason you've never heard a fan! Blows my mind how it doesn't even have a fan and is still rarely even anything above body temperature. My 2015 MBP was still going strong for work when I bailed on it late last year but the transition purely on the heat/sound emitted has been colossal.

Factorio: Space Age is the first piece of software that my M1 shows performance issues with. I'm not building xCode projects or anything, but it is a great Mac. Maybe even the greatest.

There's a known issue on arm macs with external monitors that messes with the framerates. Hopefully it gets fixed soon because pre-space age factorio was near flawless in performance on my m2.
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