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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by jumping_frog »

agumonkey wrote: post #775
freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

I ask myself why did we accept pre 2010s answers, maybe because the media institutions had accumulated enough trust ? I feel this unavoidable.. nothing is true unless there's a threshold of quality/verification in place across the system.

The media was lying all the time. It didn't start lying just after advent of social media. Just look at sitcoms like Yes Minister. The reason we now consider media to lie is because their lies are exposed, documented, tracked and refreshed to remind users not to trust them blindly.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by twobitshifter »

wvenable wrote: post #286
freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

> Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? I think it's already compelling enough to replace the current paradigm. Search is pretty much dead to me. I have to end every search with "reddit" to get remotely useful results. The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetize…

I still search by default but i am starting to turn to LLMs when the search is failing and getting better answers.

For example, I couldn’t remember the word shibboleth, but an LLM was able to give me it from my description, search couldn’t.

For another example, I saw some code using a repeated set of symbols as a shorthand. I didn’t know what this does, but searching for a symbol is badly broken on Google - i just asked the LLM about the code and it gave me the answer.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by chaos_emergent »

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

Isn’t there already a different incentive system in place? LLM providers are selling the search engine not selling ads on the search engine

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by CooCooCaCha »

bathwaterpizza wrote: post #862
weberer wrote: post #796

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perplexity adds citations to the end of each statement. Its nice to be able to go to the primary source and verify whether its mixing anything up.

This is just unrealistic, if I have to check the sources every time I'd rather Google it.

Same. This is why I don’t really use AI in my everyday workflow other than for brainstorming.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by famouswaffles »

rty32 wrote: post #205
famouswaffles wrote: post #75

"""Search will be available at chatgpt.com (opens in a new window), as well as on our desktop and mobile apps. All ChatGPT Plus and Team users, as well as SearchGPT waitlist users, will have access today. Enterprise and Edu users will get access in the next few weeks. We’ll roll out to all Free users over the coming months.""" Can confirm that free users who signed up for the waitlist can use it right now (even if th…

I signed up for the wait list as well and got the email. However there is no search button on the web interface (free tier). Is there anything I am missing?

I don't think so. I didn't do anything else.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by yalogin »

The main reason for google search’s success is it drove traffic to websites and both had their share of the ad pie. With ChatGPT they would take a much much bigger share of the pie and so if it becomes successful in replacing google search’s UI, it will fully replace the extreme distributed nature of the internet and make the traditional/big content providers even more powerful. I am sure content creators will find a way to adapt but in the short term it will cause pain

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by GuB-42 »

DeathArrow wrote: post #724
GolfPopper wrote: post #602

Every time I see one of these topics, I go ask chat GPT a question to which I know the answer on a topic where I would like to be able to get useful answers to similar questions that I do not know the answer to. This time it was, "Did Paul Edwin Zimmer write a fourth Dark Border novel?" (Real answer: Yes, Ingulf the Mad . You can find the answer on his Wikipedia page.[1]) ChatGPT's[2] answer: "Yes, Paul Edwin Zimmer…

If AI produces a correct answer for something you know, there's no guarantee that it produces the correct answer for something you don't know. I'd rather find a way to verify that answer, if that answer has any importance.

It is not just for AI. The same can be said of Wikipedia, if correctness matters, for example if you are writing an article/paper/essay, go for primary sources, not Wikipedia, and certainly not ChatGPT.

You can use them as a starting point though.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by vbezhenar »

IshKebab wrote: post #505
greenavocado wrote: post #483

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has google completely stopped working for anyone else? I can still search things, i get results but, they're an ordered list of popular places the engine is directing me to. Some kind of filtering is occurring on nearly every search i make that's making the results feel entirely useless. Image search stopped working sometime ago and now it just runs an AI filter on whatever image you search for, tells you there's a m…

Despite all the comments it still works pretty well for me. I feel like they've improved it a bit in the last year or so so you don't get way too much Quora and GitHub/Stackoverflow clones. The level of sponsored results for some queries is way OTT, and obviously any kind of search like "best laptop 2024" is never going to give you good results (probably because they don't exist), but other than that I'm still pretty…

Same for me. Google works awesome and I never felt it being bad, using it since the beginning.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by MichaelZuo »

halfcat wrote: post #867
the__alchemist wrote: post #856

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neal Stephenson's book _Fall, or; Dodge in Hell_, from 2019, dedicates many words to this concept. Briefly summarized, it explores a post-truth-world, describing the world where people could agree on the truth as a narrow time-slice in history. People have their own individual internet filters, and the USA becomes divided into Afghanistan-etc-like tribes, each an echo chamber. (Ameristan)

In the book, “The Big Change” (1952), Frederick Allen talks about the year 1900, and (among many differences) he notes that for nearly everyone in the year 1900, the limits of their world rarely extended beyond their own town. We have this idea today that everyone online is getting trapped in echo chambers, but that’s been the case for most of human history.

If anything considering how vastly more complex things are nowadays (behind superficial appearances), the median adult is likely even more ignorant, in relative terms, than say the median peasant in rural 1700s France, or even in 1900s France.
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