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Re: ChatGPT Search

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I tried asking him something really new and specific, like the best talent builds (that are user created) for the latest patch of World of Warcraft without specifying which version it was, and answer was really really accurate. No hallucination at all!

Calling a LLM 'him' will always amuse me.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#833

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

I agree that this is the core question, but I'd put it as: Who Gets To Decide What Is True? With a search paradigm this wasn't an issue as much, because the answers were presented as "here's a bunch of websites that appear to deal with the question you asked". It was then up to the reader to decide which of those sites they wanted to visit, and therefore which viewpoints they got to see. With an LLM answering the que…

The truth isn't a decision that's made, it just is. So nobody gets to decide it, it just is :)

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Linking the slide deck that caused Google to start encrypting the traffic between their own data centers running on their own fiber is perhaps not the most compelling argument that Google is a state asset. https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/tech-companies-s...

You think it is so hard for the NSA to have a tap within Google's datacenters? You think Google could say no to NSA if they were asking nicely to put a tap? Encryption between datacenters is to keep away other state actors, not the US.

> You think it is so hard for the NSA to have a tap within Google's datacenters?

Yes

> You think Google could say no to NSA if they were asking nicely to put a tap?

Yes

Re: ChatGPT Search

#835

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Collecting people's data and making money from that.

Google doesn't make money from "collecting people's data", they show you ads. If they're collecting data it doesn't even work; I make no effort to hide from them and none of their ads are targeted to me. Meta, though, they're good at it.

How do you think Google's ad business works?

Re: ChatGPT Search

#836

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

I agree that this is the core question, but I'd put it as: Who Gets To Decide What Is True? With a search paradigm this wasn't an issue as much, because the answers were presented as "here's a bunch of websites that appear to deal with the question you asked". It was then up to the reader to decide which of those sites they wanted to visit, and therefore which viewpoints they got to see. With an LLM answering the que…

> Who Gets To Decide What Is True?

Seems particularly to be a US based phenomenon. Unlike the more transparent manipulation seen under dictatorships... Where people generally recognize propaganda for what it is, even if they can’t openly challenge it—some in USA live within entirely new realities.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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> We're seeing how that pans out in Australia and it's not good. How are we seeing how that pans out when Australia's misinformation bill is still just a proposal?

Fair point. I think just that there's a general acceptance that "something must be done" and that the government are the people to do it is pretty alarming. It's a short step from here to a Ministry of Truth, and I can see Australia taking that step pretty soon.

The thing about Australia is that voting is mandatory. By definition this makes it difficult for politicians radicalising the edges to pull the mass of the normal curve away from the centre. In the US the opposite is true. The radicalised are more incentivised to turn up and vote than the centrist mass. So much so that the last 40 years has seen the hollowing out of the centre and this ridiculous (to my eyes) seesawing of extremes.

What I’m trying to explain is that (successful) politics in Australia doesn’t stray too far from the centre of the body politic. As a result there’s greater faith in institutions here than in the US. It’s far less alarming to us (conceptually) than it is to Americans.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#838

Good thing I already took down my blog :) Hope everyone else does the same. Not putting any effort in to make OpenAI even more money, thanks

Took down in the sense made it private to yourself ? or completely stopped it altogether.

I recently started a blog hosted in my home server no point in making it public

Re: ChatGPT Search

#839
Maybe that is the use-case- a hallcuinated internet with links, that you click along in search of something, until the gpt has enough information to generate it from thin air. Maybe the journey is the destination.

Re: ChatGPT Search

#840

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

I agree that this is the core question, but I'd put it as: Who Gets To Decide What Is True? With a search paradigm this wasn't an issue as much, because the answers were presented as "here's a bunch of websites that appear to deal with the question you asked". It was then up to the reader to decide which of those sites they wanted to visit, and therefore which viewpoints they got to see. With an LLM answering the que…

"Are all bachelors married?" vs "is it raining outside?"

And then Quine points out that the definitions of "bachelor" and "married" are themselves contingent on outside factors.

"Can illegal immigrants vote?", while close to being an analytic proposition, still depends on an empirical approach that can never be mediated by text, video, etc. All propositions are by necessity experiential. Nullius in verba!

So the truth is and has always been what happens when you get off your butt and go out and test the world.

This is not to say that we don't benefit from language. It makes for a great recipe. If you follow the instructions to bake a cake and you get what you expected you know that the recipe was true. The same goes for the laws of science, search engine results, and generative AI.

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