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As a father of a young child with diabetes, I have mixed feelings about this issue. While I believe small children shouldn't carry smartphones, it's currently our only way to monitor their health when they're outside our immediate range, such as in daycare. My child is quite small and not yet interested in the phone, but I expect that will change eventually. We've established ground rules: the phone can’t be used for…

is it for uploading glucose diagnostic results?

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This is a bandaid on a bullet hole. The root issue is that tech leaders (yes, these decision-makers are real, individual people, let's stop diluting accountability!) have forced themselves onto us and our kids with tracking, data mining, personalised advertising, distortion of facts, dark patterns, addiction-forming products, plausible but false AI content, brand-compliance, and all sorts of other user exploitation.…

i agree but they deserve credit for running a reasonable campaign. Look how you're ridiculing them, and now imagine how much ridicule they would receive if the campaign was total abstinence from smart phones?

Running a contrarian campaign is hard, especially given all of the status , social pressure and marketing surrounding smartphones.

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#253

Parent here. This is a LOT easier today than it was 5-10 years ago. It feels like there's been a generation divide where younger kids are not as insistent on smartphones as the older kids were. Maybe it was covid. But also there's a lot of negative sentiment even amongst kids about smartphones - that they are addictive, encourage anti-social behaviors, and enable bullying. "Brain-rot". Our local school district banne…

How is it that we are just now making phones in the classroom? I would have assumed this was the case since smart phones came out

i think the overall quality of the experience using todays phones has tanked when compared to that of phones 15 years ago. when's the last time an app with angry birds' popularity was released? you cant even get the original angry birds game anymore; its rereleased with ads and microtransactions.

Re: Wait Until 8th

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As a father of a young child with diabetes, I have mixed feelings about this issue. While I believe small children shouldn't carry smartphones, it's currently our only way to monitor their health when they're outside our immediate range, such as in daycare. My child is quite small and not yet interested in the phone, but I expect that will change eventually. We've established ground rules: the phone can’t be used for…

is it for uploading glucose diagnostic results?

Yes, that's correct. It uploads data from the continuous glucose sensor to the medical device provider, allowing us parents to access that data on our smartphones. But it's not just about collecting statistics. For instance, delivering alerts to us, such as low glucose levels or pump malfunction, requires the phone to be present.

Additionally, it allows for remote monitoring of glucose levels. For example, during winter, when the child is bundled up in overalls, daycare staff can check the values without needing to undress her in freezing temperatures.

Recently, many insulin pumps, although not ours, have also evolved so that the algorithm controlling the pump operates via a smartphone. This means having the phone nearby is not just very useful; it's essential.

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#255

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Isn't this what Family link [1] is for ? Or you can get an iPhone and use parental controls. My kids has a tablet and I get to decide what can be used and for how long, and nothing gets installed without my approval. [1] https://families.google/familylink/

Apple is really dropping the ball here, there are serious issues with parental controls on iOS. No way to revoke install permission. e.g. child got ahold of a parent's unlocked phone, turned off parent approval for their own phone, and then installed a social media app. We have uninstalled the app, but he can re-install without requesting permissions. We have resorted to a 1-minute (the minimum) screen time limit ins…

Your comment reads a bit silly to me. It’s like your child has control over this situation instead of you, and you’re trying your hardest to negotiate a good position for yourself.

If your child doesn’t use the phone in the way you want them to, you could take the phone away.

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I see the good intentions, but it's too idealistic. In many families both parents work and kids are expected to get home by themselves (such was the case for me from 3rd grade onwards). Smartphones are simply a necessity for communication and Google Maps. I can only ever see this working with upper middle class nuclear families with a stay at home parent.

Google maps is completely unnecessary to go back and forth between school and home. And communication can be done easily with a dumb phone.

Our oldest at 7 goes alone to school and has no problem memorizing the path.

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So, no flexibility, spontaneity? So far we had: - "I'd like to stay with a friend after school - they'll drive me home after dinner", "Sure, thanks for the info, have fun" - "Fire alert, I'm fine but bored" - "Had to help a friend with an accident, will be home 1h later approx" - Bus didn't turn up, uses app to improvise an alternative connection - asking teachers about details from the lessons - getting a news-feed…

how do you think we lived before the smartphones were mainstream?! None of what you listed was a problem before smartphone. Literally none of it. source: I'm older than 30, I was there.

The parent comment is almost an advertisement for waiting to give kids a smartphone until they're older. If one truly can't imagine doing any of these without post-2010 technology, then it would be good giving kids a little bit more time building their independence from both parents and smartphones.

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> This makes me think, as I've thought previously, that the generational labels seem too broad for the pace of change in information technology over the last 40 years. Yeah, no kidding. I'm an older millennial as well, and I didn't have a dumb phone until my senior year of college, let alone a smartphone. My experience growing up was so much different from someone born just 10 years after me, even though we're techni…

I'm Mid-GenX. I didn't have a cordless landline phone until after college. I got my first dumb phone when I was 25 or 26. Now get off my lawn. :)

Hm, I think we got our first cordless when I was in 4th or 5th grade. First phone I remember was rotary, pulse-dial.

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If keeping kids away from harm doesn’t mean anything to you then I can’t help you. But you probably don’t have kids or know anyone with kids nor you care.

This thread was about the title being click bait because it's vague and confusing. You took a hard left into "you don't care about the kids " territory and it has absolute nothing to do with what is being talked about here.

This is not clickbait, it’s like a movement with a catchy name so it sticks. You seem to be stuck with clickbait but at the same time you don’t understand what clickbait is.

Re: Wait Until 8th

#260
> The Wait Until 8th pledge empowers parents to rally together to delay giving children a smartphone until at least the end of 8th grade.

For context, students in eighth grade (US) are usually 13–14 years old.

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