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Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by CyberDildonics »

grugagag wrote: post #229
CyberDildonics wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case it’s something benefic, Not sure what this means. not selling you a device or service to help you in advertised ways Again, click bait means getting you to click on something in ways other than telling you what the article is about. Anything published on the internet wants readers. I don't know where you got the idea that 'clickbait' only applies to direct advertisements, but you should move past that.

If keeping kids away from harm doesn’t mean anything to you then I can’t help you. But you probably don’t have kids or know anyone with kids nor you care.

This thread was about the title being click bait because it's vague and confusing. You took a hard left into "you don't care about the kids" territory and it has absolute nothing to do with what is being talked about here.

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by 0_____0 »

brewdad wrote: post #159
0_____0 wrote: post #38

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I didn't have a phone at all until I was in high school! Looking back on all the times that I was tragically killed or maimed as a result, it's a miracle I'm able to write this comment today!

I'm glad to see high schools pushing back on this. My college student had classes their first two years that required a smartphone in order to participate in class. Failure to procure an Android or Apple device that could run the app they used was an automatic 20% markdown on one's final grade for non-participation.

A friend shared a photo of a wall organizer that (middle school?) kids put their phones into during class. Even though I'm now long out of school, that they sort of have to adapt or else it will really affect the educational outcomes.

I don't think people failing out of college really has the same stigma for the institution. I wonder if in fact it would even help with the prestige somehow.

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by amluto »

maxbond wrote: post #43
zetazzed wrote: post #13

I'm still surprised the "dumb phone for kids" and "dumb watch with basic comms" markets are so underdeveloped (from my perspective). I would love my kids to have (a) gps tracking, (b) ability to send texts/calls to like 5 predefined numbers, (c) tell the time, and nothing else. But watches all seem to have games or weird gamified fitness trackers (Google's new fitbit for kids). Or they are super kid-ish, like bright…

I would submit map functionality to the list as well. I think it would be healthy for a kid old enough to tell time to experiment with navigating, maybe following along on their map on drives.

This problem was quite well solved by a kids learning their way around using their eyes and good paper map.

(I miss paper maps. They were actually designed to confer understanding — in particular, every street showed a name! Smartphone navigation apps and navigation websites often don’t show names any more.)

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by insane_dreamer »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #211
insane_dreamer wrote: post #52

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8th grade may be somewhat arbitrary, but as children grow older you trust them more with things that you didn't when they were younger, teaching them responsibility and independence over time. I don't need a website to provide some type of evidence (not sure what kind of evidence you'd be referring to) to understand that. It's parenting 101. This is just applying it to social networks (that's the issue more than the…

The entire point of this website is to advocate for the arbitrary 8th grade cutoff. Additionally, an arbitrary hard cutoff is the opposite of gradually teaching kids responsibility and independence.

Either your child has a phone or they don’t have a phone. This is one of many binary actions along a progressive line during which you are teaching them responsibility and independence.

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by dang »

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #37

More discussion from 2023: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36207142

Thanks! Macroexpanded:

The Wait Until 8th pledge - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36207142 - June 2023 (244 comments)

Middle School Misfortunes Then and Now, One Teacher’s Take - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19284217 - March 2019 (146 comments)

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by max51 »

kawogi wrote: post #150
50208 wrote: post #59

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Or ... we could continue doing what worked for all of us before being tethered to phones. Communicate beforehand / afterwards / using shared phones (which still exist) and learning to navigate the world using brains.

So, no flexibility, spontaneity? So far we had: - "I'd like to stay with a friend after school - they'll drive me home after dinner", "Sure, thanks for the info, have fun" - "Fire alert, I'm fine but bored" - "Had to help a friend with an accident, will be home 1h later approx" - Bus didn't turn up, uses app to improvise an alternative connection - asking teachers about details from the lessons - getting a news-feed…

how do you think we lived before the smartphones were mainstream?! None of what you listed was a problem before smartphone. Literally none of it.

source: I'm older than 30, I was there.

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by akulbe »

I totally get the rationale, no need to convince me.

We've raised the bar even higher than 8th.

Our kid won't have a phone before they are driving.

We have a landline for when they're at home, but there's no reason to rush.

They can wait.

So can we.

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by computerdork »

adriand wrote: post #194
computerdork wrote: post #120

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Out of curiosity, what are her phone habits like? And, as others have mentioned, you can turn on parental controls to limit what apps she can have on it. Have you done this already?

I started describing the situation and then realized doing so is a breach of her privacy, so deleted my comment. I did have parental controls on it in terms of the apps she has access to, but had not limited the time spent (my mistake). I wish there was also a way to limit the number of pickups.

No worries that you deleted it, can understand that you want to be cautious with your child:)

Btw, I actually don't have a child so haven't used parental controls, but just found out that they do have an app time-limit setting: https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/set-up-screen-time-ip....

yeah, I have an app blocker on my iphone to block news websites/apps called Freedom. Essential these days to staying productive - although, don't think this app would work for your child, because it is not very reliable and needs to be restarted every few days.

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by chrismcb »

legitster wrote: post #121

Parent here. This is a LOT easier today than it was 5-10 years ago. It feels like there's been a generation divide where younger kids are not as insistent on smartphones as the older kids were. Maybe it was covid. But also there's a lot of negative sentiment even amongst kids about smartphones - that they are addictive, encourage anti-social behaviors, and enable bullying. "Brain-rot". Our local school district banne…

How is it that we are just now making phones in the classroom? I would have assumed this was the case since smart phones came out

Re: Wait Until 8th

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Post by asveikau »

silisili wrote: post #173
asveikau wrote: post #123

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My daughter has a normal android phone with Google Family Link and tons of builtin apps removed and websites blocked. The parental controls are pretty good.

Gotta agree here. The only apps that aren't blocked are the phone itself, messages, and a few games. Doesn't even have a browser on it much less social media. It's really been fantastic in letting her have a phone for communication, and technically she can text her friends if they want to, but no social media. It's pretty close to a dumb phone really. The location tracking alone is worth it, to me. My only annoyance…

Thanks for the warning, I guess I'll need to watch out for that in a few years.
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