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Post by cageface »

gouranga wrote: post #28
colinplamondon wrote: post #12

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Compare Android to Windows Phone, Android tablets to the Surface, and the Lumia to the Galaxy Nexus. Google and their partners could have taken the high road and created their own take on what a touch screen phone OS is, but instead they took the low road and did a wholesale look and feel copy and paste job of iOS to get scale. Copying look and feel isn't actual wrongdoing, but it's certainly not the high road. Now A…

They're only pissed off because Android sells at a lower margin and a lower price point and therefore has more volume and marketshare. If they actually cared about the similarities, they would have picked a fight earlier on. They only pick a fight now as the successor is competitive enough to win some cash off, so it's less risky. I have no respect for anyone who does this. Fuck them.

This is exactly the problem. All the arguments about copying are just a smoke screen for an attack on a successful competitor.

Unfortunately for Apple these suits put the Android vendors in the role of the underdog and people tend to root for the underdog.

Re: Galaxy Nexus ban remains, Apple posts $95.6M bond, Google stops selling

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Post by cageface »

spaghetti wrote: post #10

First of all this makes me want one even more. Secondly I wonder if Steve Jobs would have cancelled this BS? I've been curious about Android development for the nearly four years I've been doing iOS development. I'll start porting my free ad-supported app to Android now. Bye Apple!

I'm working on a new iOS app and I've started porting it to Android as a result of all this. As an iOS developer I feel complicit in what Apple's doing lately.

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Post by SkyMarshal »

hugoc wrote: post #42
vibrunazo wrote: post #27

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Same for me. Been looking to replace my dell notebook and was looking into the Macbook Air with ubuntu as the alternative. Was just comparing prices and specs on the Apple's website last week. I used to think Apple's success was great for us consumers because it's more choice, and competition is why companies are innovating in the first place, right? But this latest injunction made me realize, if I give money to Appl…

Fortunately now there are serious alternatives to the Macbook Air http://www.anandtech.com/show/5843/asus-zenbook-prime-ux21a-...

Unfortunately even ultrabooks may be at risk of an Apple patent:

http://duckduckgo.com/?q=apple+patents+wedge+design

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Post by ElliotH »

CountSessine wrote: post #99
CountSessine wrote: post #74

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Despicable. That's really the only polite word I have for both Apple's actions What word do you have for things that are actually despicable ? Like actually hurting or killing people? Or doing things that don't just involve selling telephones?

Wow. What is wrong with everyone here? Let's look at what despicable means. (from Dictionary.com) Despicable : deserving to be despised Hooker Chemical poured tons of hazardous waste into the ground - waste that they knew would cause health problems - and then sold the site to the City of Niagara Falls to be developed into subdivisions. That's pretty despicable . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Canal In China, in 2…

People downvote you, including myself, because you're disrupting a thread by discussing the semantics of the word 'despised' in an impolite manner than brings nothing to the story.

Being right or wrong has little bearing on what is a rude and unnecessary derail.

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Post by novalis »

taligent wrote: post #85
huggyface wrote: post #80

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Oh how astonishingly boring. Microsoft sued Motorola after they couldn't extort them into making uncompetitive Windows Mobile devices. Motorola responded with standards-based patents and non-standards based patents, with the clear intention of trying to get a stalemate settlement. The "cooperative" part was that Motorola has thousands if not tens of thousands of patents that play a part in standards because they are…

Very mature response. 1. Motorola is obligated to not use standards based patents against implementers of the standard. Under ANY circumstance. It undermines the entire foundation of the industry and without standards we all lose. 2. No government is investigating Microsoft or Apple for patent abuse. And it is ridiculous to assume that the government just investigates any multinational company.

You talked about: "And if Google/Motorola are so cooperative then why are the FTC/EU investigating them for anti-competitive behaviour ?"

But now the goal post moved to patent abuse investigations, keep in mind that monopoly investigations and patent law can be engaged by diff state institutions, depending on the most effective engagement method, so you may have patent law dispute in the courts in any country and monopoly investigations conducted by an European entity. So while at any given moment, not having one corporation under investigation or defendent status does not push the innocent/guilty pendulum anywhere when acessing any given case. Or is it an indication of antagonistical reversable jurisprudence. The case at hand comes to mind.

Also, any multinational company is under the scrutiny of any government or substitutive supra governamental entity with attributed powers to do so and that is the way it will stay. There is nothing ridiculous about it. It is a needed lawful check for international law and the required balance for the implementation and usage of the Uniform Commercial Code.

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Post by CountSessine »

ElliotH wrote: post #104
CountSessine wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. What is wrong with everyone here? Let's look at what despicable means. (from Dictionary.com) Despicable : deserving to be despised Hooker Chemical poured tons of hazardous waste into the ground - waste that they knew would cause health problems - and then sold the site to the City of Niagara Falls to be developed into subdivisions. That's pretty despicable . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Canal In China, in 2…

People downvote you, including myself, because you're disrupting a thread by discussing the semantics of the word 'despised' in an impolite manner than brings nothing to the story. Being right or wrong has little bearing on what is a rude and unnecessary derail.

Come again? What could be more self-indulgent and irrelevant than posting to the root of a thread announcing your opinion that a company that makes shiny gadgets is "despicable"? And you're down-voting me for pointing that out? What?

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Post by SCdF »

Tichy wrote: post #96
CountSessine wrote: post #74

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Despicable. That's really the only polite word I have for both Apple's actions What word do you have for things that are actually despicable ? Like actually hurting or killing people? Or doing things that don't just involve selling telephones?

It's hurting people if millions go to waste. People lose jobs, worry about money, can't pay medical bills and so on.

Yes. Ironically it's even less "firstworldproblems" than you might otherwise think, because a lot of the jobs lost etc go to people who are very much not first world.

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Post by Gigablah »

CountSessine wrote: post #100
Gigablah wrote: post #98

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Stop arguing on HN and go help those starving children in Africa.

Stop arguing on HN and go help those starving children in Africa Oh gee, I sure would - but how will I find Africa now that I can't buy a Galaxy Nexus with it's enhanced turn-by-turn navigation and barometric elevation sensor?

Oh yeah, I forgot. Man, that's despicable.

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Post by Evbn »

juliano_q wrote: post #16

Isn't it ironic that the Galaxy Nexus (along with the rest of the Nexus line) is almost the only Android phone that Google can quickly update the software, remove/change the stuff that Apple supposedly "own" and sell it again quickly? If the ban happened for almost all other Android devices the pain would be much bigger. I am an Android phone and Macbook owner and I am really ashamed by Apple actions, I will not buy…

I thought I read that with Jellybean Google will control the OS updates for all devices, even third party.

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#110

Post by fpgeek »

taligent wrote: post #85
huggyface wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh how astonishingly boring. Microsoft sued Motorola after they couldn't extort them into making uncompetitive Windows Mobile devices. Motorola responded with standards-based patents and non-standards based patents, with the clear intention of trying to get a stalemate settlement. The "cooperative" part was that Motorola has thousands if not tens of thousands of patents that play a part in standards because they are…

Very mature response. 1. Motorola is obligated to not use standards based patents against implementers of the standard. Under ANY circumstance. It undermines the entire foundation of the industry and without standards we all lose. 2. No government is investigating Microsoft or Apple for patent abuse. And it is ridiculous to assume that the government just investigates any multinational company.

If we're going to talk about obligations... I seem to recall that Microsoft and Apple had made some promises with respect to the Nortel patents they bought (triggered by a DoJ investigation).

Of course, somehow the patent troll they set up:

http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/05/rockstar/all/

doesn't have the same obligations, but that still leaves Microsoft's and Apple's hands clean, right?

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