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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by jahewson »

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

Your points are good but I wonder if you’re wishing for an ideal that has never existed:

> actually surfacing the content people want to see, not what intermediaries want them to see

Requires two assumptions, 1) the content people want to see actually exists, 2) people know what it is they want to see. Most content is only created in the first place because somebody wants another person to see it, and people need to be exposed to a range of content before having an idea about what else they might want to see. Most of the time what people want to see is… what other people are seeing. Look at music for example.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by throwaway314155 »

whizzter wrote: post #300

This is probably Google's Altavista moment, by making their results crappier by the year in search of Ad dollars everyone has felt that there is a potential for search to be better and once that becomes available they'll be in a continious game of catch-up. Yes, Google has their own AI divisions, tons of money and SEO is to blame for part of their crappiness. But they've also _explicitly_ focused on ad-dollars over a…

> if one is to believe the reports of their internal politics

I'm not familiar with what you're referring to here. Happen to have a link?

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by nomel »

RodgerTheGreat wrote: post #61
breck wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they are making billions from subscriptions, why on earth would they want to switch to an ads business?

Might have something to do with the fact that they're also still losing billions operating their services at a loss!

Seems like the sane thing to do with would be put ads on those using the service for free.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by olkingcole »

zo1 wrote: post #344
whizzter wrote: post #300

This is probably Google's Altavista moment, by making their results crappier by the year in search of Ad dollars everyone has felt that there is a potential for search to be better and once that becomes available they'll be in a continious game of catch-up. Yes, Google has their own AI divisions, tons of money and SEO is to blame for part of their crappiness. But they've also _explicitly_ focused on ad-dollars over a…

Google, even with all the trillions in additional productivity it has added to the world, has left the world at a net-negative. We can't even quantify it, and every person will tell you a different way in which it has impacted the world negatively. E.g. for me, how much Google (and silicon valley in general) have enabled twisted ideologies to flourish. All in search of ad-dollars by virtue of eyeballs on screens, at…

I was just wondering what has come out of silicon valley since say 2003 that has been a net positive for humanity. Just because something is profitable doesn't mean it's progress.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by techwiz137 »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #352
freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

Solving this problem will require us to stop using the entire web as a source of information. Anyone can write anything and put it up on the web, and LLMs have no way to distinguish truth from fantasy. Limiting responses to curated information sources is the way forward. Encyclopedias, news outlets, research journals, and so on. No, they're not infallible. But they're infinitely better than anonymous web sites.

You are quite right, and not only can anyone write anything, but you have a double whammy from the LLM which can further hallucinate from said information.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by speckx »

arromatic wrote: post #134
inhumantsar wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is why I pay for Kagi. granted those results still come up, but you can block specific domains from ever appearing in the results and configure how listicles are displayed.

How many can you block and filter manually ? 10 ? 100 ? 10k ? Who will test sites for the blocklist ? The domain block feature is great but unless it's collaborative listing it's not gonna be super effective.

1,000

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by encom »

steelframe wrote: post #306
wvenable wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? I think it's already compelling enough to replace the current paradigm. Search is pretty much dead to me. I have to end every search with "reddit" to get remotely useful results. The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetize…

> Search is pretty much dead to me. I've heard reports that requesting verbatim results via the tbs=li:1 parameter has helped some people postpone entirely giving up on Google. Personally I've already been on Kagi for a while and am not planning on ever needing to go back.

Fuzzy search is cancer. I search for $FOO, click a result, Ctrl-F for $FOO ==> Not found. Many such cases. If there's a way to force DuckDuckGo to actually do what I tell it to, I'd love to hear it.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by galvanizednuts »

Has there been any indication on whether or not adtech is mobilizing to integrate with LLMs to provide “promoted” responses? I’m shocked it isn’t already a burgeoning area for new startups

It sucks but it’ll happen for sure

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by ho_schi »

wvenable wrote: post #286
freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

> Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? I think it's already compelling enough to replace the current paradigm. Search is pretty much dead to me. I have to end every search with "reddit" to get remotely useful results. The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetize…

Same here?

Search means either:

    * Stackoverlow. Damaged through new owner but the idea lives.
    * Reddit. Google tries to fuck it up with „Auto translation“?
    * Gitlab or GitHub if something needs a bugfix.
The rest of the internet is either an entire ****show or pure gold pressed latinum but hardly navigatable thanks to monopolies like Google and Microsoft.

PS: ChatGPT already declines in answer because is source is Stackoverflow? And…well…these source are humans.

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