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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by shdh » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 7:47 PM UTC

wvenable wrote: post #286

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

> Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? I think it's already compelling enough to replace the current paradigm. Search is pretty much dead to me. I have to end every search with "reddit" to get remotely useful results. The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetize…

Google has a "site" filter.

You can suffix: "site:reddit.com" and get results for that particular site only.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by blackhaj7 » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 7:47 PM UTC

wvenable wrote: post #286

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

> Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? I think it's already compelling enough to replace the current paradigm. Search is pretty much dead to me. I have to end every search with "reddit" to get remotely useful results. The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetize…

Ergh, yeah. This is a horrible but valid point

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by jsheard » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 7:48 PM UTC

wvenable wrote: post #286

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

> Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? I think it's already compelling enough to replace the current paradigm. Search is pretty much dead to me. I have to end every search with "reddit" to get remotely useful results. The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetize…

> The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetized with ads or propaganda, it's going to be very dangerous.

Not to mention that users consuming most content through a middle-man completely breaks most publishers business models. Traditional search is a mutually beneficial arrangement, but LLM search is parasitic.

Expect to see a lot more technical countermeasures and/or lawsuits against LLM search engines which regurgitate so much material that they effectively replace the need to visit the original publisher.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by spankalee » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 7:50 PM UTC

jamager wrote: post #297

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

It is so absurd having to spend so much energy on "what happened on the football match yesterday" just because the internet is a wasteland full of ads.

I don't understand. Google is already excellent at these queries.

"who won the warriors game last night" returns last night's score directly.

"who won the world series yesterday" returns last night's score directly, while "who won the world series" returns an overview of the series.

No ads.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by redleggedfrog » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 7:50 PM UTC

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

How can that replace search? It's not full of ads and sponsored links. They need to get with the times.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by steelframe » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 7:50 PM UTC

wvenable wrote: post #286

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

> Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? I think it's already compelling enough to replace the current paradigm. Search is pretty much dead to me. I have to end every search with "reddit" to get remotely useful results. The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetize…

> Search is pretty much dead to me.

I've heard reports that requesting verbatim results via the tbs=li:1 parameter has helped some people postpone entirely giving up on Google.

Personally I've already been on Kagi for a while and am not planning on ever needing to go back.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by thefourthchime » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 7:51 PM UTC

whizzter wrote: post #300

This is probably Google's Altavista moment, by making their results crappier by the year in search of Ad dollars everyone has felt that there is a potential for search to be better and once that becomes available they'll be in a continious game of catch-up. Yes, Google has their own AI divisions, tons of money and SEO is to blame for part of their crappiness. But they've also _explicitly_ focused on ad-dollars over a…

Google's SEO almost killed the web, ChatGPT Search will finish the job.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 7:51 PM UTC

whizzter wrote: post #300

This is probably Google's Altavista moment, by making their results crappier by the year in search of Ad dollars everyone has felt that there is a potential for search to be better and once that becomes available they'll be in a continious game of catch-up. Yes, Google has their own AI divisions, tons of money and SEO is to blame for part of their crappiness. But they've also _explicitly_ focused on ad-dollars over a…

Classic innovator’s dilemma. The politics of Google make launching a search competitor impossible.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by steine65 » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 7:51 PM UTC

shdh wrote: post #301

wvenable wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? I think it's already compelling enough to replace the current paradigm. Search is pretty much dead to me. I have to end every search with "reddit" to get remotely useful results. The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetize…

Google has a "site" filter. You can suffix: "site:reddit.com" and get results for that particular site only.

I'm curious to know if anyone sees better results by using site:reddit.com vs just appending the word reddit to your search. I've felt the results are similar.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by serjester » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 7:51 PM UTC

marckrn wrote: post #295

OpenAI also provides a Chrome Extension ( https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/chatgpt-search/ejcf... ) to trigger a search from the omnibar as the default search engine. If you don't like that (like I do), you can also manually add it under Site Search using https://chatgpt.com/?q=%s&hints=search

I tried hacking this together a month ago as an experiment and it was super painful. This seems like exactly what I wanted - props to OpenAI. Google should be on DEFCON 2.