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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by vineyardmike »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #4
sidcool wrote: post #3

It will be fun to see how they stand up to Google and Perplexity. I feel they are a bit late in the search game, but excited to see what they cook

Anyone can compete as long as they have a sufficiently robust crawl dataset as a foundation, no?

Anyone can compete as long as they have a functional URL and web page. Doesn’t make them good competition, and doesn’t mean users will use it.

The issue is that “AI search” has been a hot topic for a while now. Google (the default everywhere) just rolled out their version to billions of users. Perplexity has been iterating and acquiring customers for a while. Obviously OpenAI has great potential and brand recognition, but are enough people still interested in switching that haven’t yet?

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by typon »

Asked it to generate code for a library that was released in the past year - GPT-4 couldn't do it and this one just did it flawlessly. I am super impressed.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by findthewords »

rvz wrote: post #2

AKA Bing Search in ChatGPT. So it is not it's own search engine and is still using Bing for its results just like the rest of them.

If it's better than Bing or Google in presenting the relevant result in a condensed way, it's still a win for the users.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by baby_souffle »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #4
sidcool wrote: post #3

It will be fun to see how they stand up to Google and Perplexity. I feel they are a bit late in the search game, but excited to see what they cook

Anyone can compete as long as they have a sufficiently robust crawl dataset as a foundation, no?

> Anyone can compete as long as they have a sufficiently robust crawl dataset as a foundation, no?

There's some sticking power/network-effect/sticky-defaults effects, too, though.

It's _trivial_ to do a google search from anywhere on an android device with at most a tap or two. You can probably get close if a 3rd party has a well integrated native app but that'll require work on the user's behalf to make it the default (where possible).

Same goes for the default search engine for browsers/operating systems ... etc.

I will absolutely be firing off queries to google and GPTSearch in parallel and doing a quick comparison between the two. I am especially curious to see how well queries like "I need the PCI-e 4 10-gig SFP+ card that is best supported / most popular with the /r/homelab community" goes. Google struggles to do anything other than link to forums where people are already asking similar questions.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by toomuchtodo »

jsheard wrote: post #8
toomuchtodo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone can compete as long as they have a sufficiently robust crawl dataset as a foundation, no?

A fossilized snapshot will only get them so far, and sites are increasingly opting to block AI-related crawlers. Apparently about a quarter of the top 1000 sites already block GPTBot: https://originality.ai/ai-bot-blocking I guess they could be using Bing as their search backend, which would mostly get around the blocking issue (except for searching Reddit which blocks Bingbot now).

Certainly, countermeasures against crawler blocking will be a necessary component of effective search corpus aggregation in the go forward. Otherwise, search will balkanize around who will pay the most for access to public content. Common Crawl is ~10PB, this is not insurmountable.

Edit: I understand there is a freerider/economic issue here, unsure how to solve that as the balance between search engine/gen AI systems and content stores/providers becomes more adversarial.

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