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Galaxy Nexus ban remains, Apple posts $95.6M bond, Google stops selling

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Re: Galaxy Nexus ban remains, Apple posts $95.6M bond, Google stops selling

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Post by goatforce5 »

staunch wrote: post #43
cryptoz wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong," Jobs told biographer Walter Isaacson, in the book, which hit shelves last October. "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this," Jobs said. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57445837-37/jobs-thermonuc...

He always spoke in such certain terms that it seemed like everything was black and white to him. His actual behavior tended to be much more tempered than his rhetoric. I think there's a very good chance he wouldn't have actually pushed the button on stuff like this, as much as part of him may have wanted to.

I was of the understanding that he switch positions pretty suddenly. eg, he could go from telling you why some idea was shit to the same idea being the best thing ever over the course of 30 minutes (often then taking credit for that idea).

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Post by scarmig »

rimantas wrote: post #59
napoleoncomplex wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's in any way unreasonable or stupid for people to avoid products of a certain company based on disagreement with that company's business policy, no matter the quality of those products. I can't come up with something catchier than hate the game, not the player, but I think the game is always going to stay shitty if people support players who show no interest in changing the game.

I am not saying it is unreasonable, just that it is not rational. The whole disagreement thing is just what wee chose to pay attention to and what to ignore. You can take any tech company and paint it however you want just by cherry-picking.

I agree, actually: most tech companies have some blood on their hands (though I genuinely think it's fair to say Apple has had a particularly bad track record compared to its competitors, at least on offensive patent litigation).

That's why I'm constantly looking for new non-evil options, and my next phone is going to be B2G, if at all possible. Guess I won't be putting it on a Galaxy Nexus, though =)

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Post by taligent »

huggyface wrote: post #58
rimantas wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you chose to avoid good product because of the stupid ideology. Why stupid? Because you can easily find a reason to hate Google the same or even more (the whole FRAND thing e.g.). OTOH, people are not rational, nothing new here so this love/hate boils down to subjective preferences rationalized a lot. I like Apple because they make damn good products. Damn good products make them damn good money. Google makes m…

the whole FRAND thing Why would I hate Google for that? Motorola was cooperative and competitive with partners and despite all of their innovation they ended up -- like most of their traditional smartphone partners -- with most of their creations ending up in standards. Getting attacked by Apple and Microsoft they try to force a settlement with what they have. there is nothing in that that makes me dislike Motorola c…

This is laughable wrong. Motorola has never been cooperative with Microsoft. They are the ones being the aggressor and have used FRAND patents to do so. They've been nothing but underhanded at every opportunity.

And if Google/Motorola are so cooperative then why are the FTC/EU investigating them for anti-competitive behaviour ?

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Post by alexlitov »

juriga wrote: post #19
UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #13

The Galaxy SIII is still available and basically the same phone. Seems like there are just too many Android devices for Apple to block them all, they're just picking on the Galaxy Nexus to take a pot-shot at Google directly.

Even if they were "basically the same phone" (which they're not, the S3 seems to be somewhat better hardware-wise), the price difference is quite significant: Unlocked Galaxy S3 (Amazon): ~$660 Unlocked Galaxy Nexus (Google Play): $349

Galaxy Nexus came out last November, so it's 'aged'. I have been enjoying mine since the day it hit the shelves at VZ.

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Post by taligent »

mtgx wrote: post #5

I believe the original title said Galaxy Nexus. Way to be misleading by implying it's the Nexus 7. Also, people still read Foss Patents, the guy paid by Microsoft and Oracle to write negative stories on Google, and who was completely wrong on anything he said or suggested about the Google and Oracle trial?

Yes people still read FOSS patents because he is the ONLY one actually covering the cases in detail. And I actually find him to be 100x more professional than Groklaw e.g. their latest article, "Another Spanking for Apple From Judge Posner".

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Post by padmanabhan01 »

The elephant in the room is that Samsung did, and is still shamelessly trying to make a carbon copy of the iPhone and the iPad. The similarities go beyond casual coincidences. Right from the charger to the packaging to the layout to .. almost everything. It is so obvious they are doing that. It is no surprise Apple is going after them, and of course they should.

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Post by fidotron »

padmanabhan01 wrote: post #66

The elephant in the room is that Samsung did, and is still shamelessly trying to make a carbon copy of the iPhone and the iPad. The similarities go beyond casual coincidences. Right from the charger to the packaging to the layout to .. almost everything. It is so obvious they are doing that. It is no surprise Apple is going after them, and of course they should.

Except that isn't the case for the Galaxy Nexus, which in terms of Samsung phones deviates further from the iPhone than any of their others.

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Post by CountSessine »

I don't understand why Apple is going after the Galaxy Nexus. In terms of UI, it's not really very similar to anything Apple makes, and to me at least, I don't think that either Apple or Google are trying to exploit consumer confusion to sell it.

The Galaxy S2 and S3 with TouchWiz, OTOH, are a different story. I would imagine that what Apple is really pissed off about is being the target of Samsung's shameless copy-and-undercut strategy that's worked so well for them in mobile in the past. TouchWiz is a really gauche copy of just about everything iOS. I'm actually quite happy that Samsung is getting called on this bullshit.

But the Galaxy Nexus? Huh?

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Post by fidotron »

scarmig wrote: post #11

Sigh. I've been planning on getting a new notebook and was leaning toward one of Apple's products... but this has shifted me away. I know, I know: no one cares about nerd ideologies. But I'll do my part and lower their monthly revenues by 0.00001%.

I'm doing this too. My current Mac is dying and it's going to be replaced with a PC. (If only ARM based laptops were available already).

I moved to Apple with OS X back in the G4 era on the basis of OS X, and it is going to be a pain to leave, but with the trends in OS X development being what they are it had to happen at some point.

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