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Re: Galaxy Nexus ban remains, Apple posts $95.6M bond, Google stops selling

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Post by rimantas » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 7:23 PM UTC

scarmig wrote: post #11

Sigh. I've been planning on getting a new notebook and was leaning toward one of Apple's products... but this has shifted me away. I know, I know: no one cares about nerd ideologies. But I'll do my part and lower their monthly revenues by 0.00001%.

Well, you chose to avoid good product because of the stupid ideology. Why stupid? Because you can easily find a reason to hate Google the same or even more (the whole FRAND thing e.g.). OTOH, people are not rational, nothing new here so this love/hate boils down to subjective preferences rationalized a lot. I like Apple because they make damn good products. Damn good products make them damn good money. Google makes money from ads. I hate ads. But strangely enough I feel neutral about Google. As for the patents and this case: it was said more than once there—hate the game, not the player.

Re: Galaxy Nexus ban remains, Apple posts $95.6M bond, Google stops selling

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Post by hugoc » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 7:23 PM UTC

vibrunazo wrote: post #27

scarmig wrote: post #11

Sigh. I've been planning on getting a new notebook and was leaning toward one of Apple's products... but this has shifted me away. I know, I know: no one cares about nerd ideologies. But I'll do my part and lower their monthly revenues by 0.00001%.

Same for me. Been looking to replace my dell notebook and was looking into the Macbook Air with ubuntu as the alternative. Was just comparing prices and specs on the Apple's website last week. I used to think Apple's success was great for us consumers because it's more choice, and competition is why companies are innovating in the first place, right? But this latest injunction made me realize, if I give money to Appl…

Fortunately now there are serious alternatives to the Macbook Air http://www.anandtech.com/show/5843/asus-zenbook-prime-ux21a-...

Re: Galaxy Nexus ban remains, Apple posts $95.6M bond, Google stops selling

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Post by staunch » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 7:27 PM UTC

cryptoz wrote: post #20

spaghetti wrote: post #10

First of all this makes me want one even more. Secondly I wonder if Steve Jobs would have cancelled this BS? I've been curious about Android development for the nearly four years I've been doing iOS development. I'll start porting my free ad-supported app to Android now. Bye Apple!

"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong," Jobs told biographer Walter Isaacson, in the book, which hit shelves last October. "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this," Jobs said. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57445837-37/jobs-thermonuc...

He always spoke in such certain terms that it seemed like everything was black and white to him. His actual behavior tended to be much more tempered than his rhetoric.

I think there's a very good chance he wouldn't have actually pushed the button on stuff like this, as much as part of him may have wanted to.

Re: Galaxy Nexus ban remains, Apple posts $95.6M bond, Google stops selling

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Post by mrslx » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 7:29 PM UTC

vibrunazo wrote: post #27

scarmig wrote: post #11

Sigh. I've been planning on getting a new notebook and was leaning toward one of Apple's products... but this has shifted me away. I know, I know: no one cares about nerd ideologies. But I'll do my part and lower their monthly revenues by 0.00001%.

Same for me. Been looking to replace my dell notebook and was looking into the Macbook Air with ubuntu as the alternative. Was just comparing prices and specs on the Apple's website last week. I used to think Apple's success was great for us consumers because it's more choice, and competition is why companies are innovating in the first place, right? But this latest injunction made me realize, if I give money to Appl…

More choice is why companies are innovating? All the windows/Linux machines pretty much look the same, some are even now trying to look like macs...

Big business likes to replicate because it's safer than risk/innovation.

Re: Galaxy Nexus ban remains, Apple posts $95.6M bond, Google stops selling

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Post by wollw » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 7:29 PM UTC

scarmig wrote: post #11

Sigh. I've been planning on getting a new notebook and was leaning toward one of Apple's products... but this has shifted me away. I know, I know: no one cares about nerd ideologies. But I'll do my part and lower their monthly revenues by 0.00001%.

I've been using Macs since the 80s and I'm with you. I've felt so ashamed of what Apple has become I covered the Apple logo on my MacBook Pro. I use Linux instead of Mac OS already but that's more of a preference thing than anything else.

Re: Galaxy Nexus ban remains, Apple posts $95.6M bond, Google stops selling

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Post by scarmig » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 7:32 PM UTC

rimantas wrote: post #41

scarmig wrote: post #11

Sigh. I've been planning on getting a new notebook and was leaning toward one of Apple's products... but this has shifted me away. I know, I know: no one cares about nerd ideologies. But I'll do my part and lower their monthly revenues by 0.00001%.

Well, you chose to avoid good product because of the stupid ideology. Why stupid? Because you can easily find a reason to hate Google the same or even more (the whole FRAND thing e.g.). OTOH, people are not rational, nothing new here so this love/hate boils down to subjective preferences rationalized a lot. I like Apple because they make damn good products. Damn good products make them damn good money. Google makes m…

Sure, the MBA is a good product. But most of its competitors are also good products: there's not clearly a best one, at least for my needs. Indeed, I've been wavering back and forth for over a month over what I should choose: each has its own set of pros and cons. These recent events have emphasized one of Apple's cons and pushed me to other choices.

I won't lose any sleep over the switch: I don't feel that I'm missing out on some life changing experience just for the sake of ideology. Now I'll likely end up with an ultrabook with a better screen but inferior battery life and build quality. A definite trade-off, but the amount it will affect my day to day life probably isn't significant.

Re: Galaxy Nexus ban remains, Apple posts $95.6M bond, Google stops selling

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Post by napoleoncomplex » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 7:34 PM UTC

rimantas wrote: post #41

scarmig wrote: post #11

Sigh. I've been planning on getting a new notebook and was leaning toward one of Apple's products... but this has shifted me away. I know, I know: no one cares about nerd ideologies. But I'll do my part and lower their monthly revenues by 0.00001%.

Well, you chose to avoid good product because of the stupid ideology. Why stupid? Because you can easily find a reason to hate Google the same or even more (the whole FRAND thing e.g.). OTOH, people are not rational, nothing new here so this love/hate boils down to subjective preferences rationalized a lot. I like Apple because they make damn good products. Damn good products make them damn good money. Google makes m…

I don't think it's in any way unreasonable or stupid for people to avoid products of a certain company based on disagreement with that company's business policy, no matter the quality of those products.

I can't come up with something catchier than hate the game, not the player, but I think the game is always going to stay shitty if people support players who show no interest in changing the game.

Re: Galaxy Nexus ban remains, Apple posts $95.6M bond, Google stops selling

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Post by antidoh » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 7:51 PM UTC

mharmon14 wrote: post #33

Irreparable harm seems to imply that this could hurt Apple in a major way. But it's easy to see what game-changing technology is. Look at what people want in a phone: http://mashable.com/2011/10/03/iphone-5-wish-list-starts-wit... . There's tens of similar surveys published online. None of them include "search-as-u-go". In fact Apple doesn't seem to think that it's that big enough of a deal to promote. They advertise…

Of course.

It's merely the way they've discovered to prevent this particular instance of competition.

Re: Galaxy Nexus ban remains, Apple posts $95.6M bond, Google stops selling

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Post by moe » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 7:53 PM UTC

hugoc wrote: post #42

vibrunazo wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same for me. Been looking to replace my dell notebook and was looking into the Macbook Air with ubuntu as the alternative. Was just comparing prices and specs on the Apple's website last week. I used to think Apple's success was great for us consumers because it's more choice, and competition is why companies are innovating in the first place, right? But this latest injunction made me realize, if I give money to Appl…

Fortunately now there are serious alternatives to the Macbook Air http://www.anandtech.com/show/5843/asus-zenbook-prime-ux21a-...

Just skimmed the review and that does indeed look like a fine device.

Completely unrelated: Why do vendors (including Apple) insist on plastering their ugly company logos on the back? Both the macbook and the zenbook would look much better without that white scar.

Re: Galaxy Nexus ban remains, Apple posts $95.6M bond, Google stops selling

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Post by redthrowaway » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 7:56 PM UTC

spaghetti wrote: post #10

First of all this makes me want one even more. Secondly I wonder if Steve Jobs would have cancelled this BS? I've been curious about Android development for the nearly four years I've been doing iOS development. I'll start porting my free ad-supported app to Android now. Bye Apple!

Jobs started, and was the driving force behind this nonsense. If anything, I hope his absence will allow Cook et al to "gracefully" withdraw themselves from his idiotic/evil plans to sue everyone into oblivion.

Apple can't simply drop all of the lawsuits, as to do so would be an admission that it was a bad idea from its conception. Instead, they can wait until they suffer one of these judgements, then push for a cross-licensing deal.