SSH Remoting • Hacker News Board

Re: SSH Remoting

#91

Post by echoangle » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 9:45 AM UTC

frankjr wrote: post #77

echoangle wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what VS Code does too, BTW.

..and is not even open source (EDIT: I'm wrong, see below). Zed's remote server on the other hand seems to be OSS. One could probably install it themselves without relying on the automatic download. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/tree/633b665379c18a069...

Interesting, I didn’t know the VS Code server component wasn’t open source.

Re: SSH Remoting

#92

Post by drcongo » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 9:45 AM UTC

jeeybee wrote: post #59

Used Zed for a week or so, loved it! But the lack of mypy / git integrations forced me back to VS-code :'(

I switch between Sublime and Zed all day depending on what task I'm doing, some things it's still not quite as good at as Sublime. The Ruff integration is excellent though, and the good news there is that apparently they're working on a type checker for Ruff's language server.

Re: SSH Remoting

#93

Post by pimeys » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 9:45 AM UTC

pseudony wrote: post #48

Can someone explain. What is the catch ? Zed is worked on by paid employees. So who is the product, how is the money made and is it open source and if so, how much ? (Vscode has strings attached too) Just interested since building my workflows around a company's products usually ends in tears (figuratively).

I would be ready to pay money for Zed, but I'm happy it's all GPL including the dev server (AGPL). Even if this business does not work, we have the code and the community and all parts of the editor available. Thank you for the team for this.

Re: SSH Remoting

#94

Post by nurumaik » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 9:49 AM UTC

Protostome wrote: post #36

with a little bit of work, vi/emacs works great as an IDE for most setups... The learning curve is steep but once you get the gist, you never go back to those bloated IDEs. (Disclaimer: I haven't tried zed, but have been working throughout my career with Eclipse, Visual C/C++/Basic (!), Atom)

Try remote development with vim over 200ms ping ssh connection

Re: SSH Remoting

#95

Post by drcongo » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 9:49 AM UTC

cybrox wrote: post #33

Aeolun wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is certainly true that the language servers have the same speed in Zed, but there is something to be said for just never suffering from any UI delay for any reason. Though I'll admit a LS that takes three seconds to respond is kinda indistinguishable from UI delay.

What kind of codebases do you work with? Other than with multi-MB files or thousands of multi-cursors, I've never had any performance issues with VS-Code. It's actually one of the fastest Electron apps, I would say. If I notice a delay, it's usually the language server or some support package's background command taking a bit of time.

If all you know is VS Code it probably feels fine and you should definitely not try Zed - "one of the fastest Electron apps" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.

Re: SSH Remoting

#96

Post by frou_dh » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 9:50 AM UTC

jebarker wrote: post #63

Protostome wrote: post #36

with a little bit of work, vi/emacs works great as an IDE for most setups... The learning curve is steep but once you get the gist, you never go back to those bloated IDEs. (Disclaimer: I haven't tried zed, but have been working throughout my career with Eclipse, Visual C/C++/Basic (!), Atom)

Unless you need a graphical debugger, then vi/vim/nvim/emacs all start to get creaky. That single requirement keeps me on vscode. I'd love a terminal based alternative.

Graphical as in integrated with the normal editing view? There's a new very nicely done one for Emacs: https://github.com/svaante/dape . The documentation about using it is currently a bit terse though.

Re: SSH Remoting

#97

Post by neurostimulant » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 9:50 AM UTC

Hamuko wrote: post #5

I tried to use Zed but the text rendering on macOS was so painful that I didn't get far. Hopefully they'll address so I can give it another go in the future.

Such is life using macos on low dpi screen. A lot of apps render blurry texts :(

Re: SSH Remoting

#98

Post by meitham » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 9:51 AM UTC

How’s this different from starting tmux session on a remote server and editing code with a text editor and running in that session? Is Zed not a terminal text editor?

Re: SSH Remoting

#99

Post by bert2002 » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 9:53 AM UTC

Any chance for a iPadOS release?

Re: SSH Remoting

#100

Post by uludag » Thu, Oct 31, 2024, 9:57 AM UTC

pseudony wrote: post #48

Can someone explain. What is the catch ? Zed is worked on by paid employees. So who is the product, how is the money made and is it open source and if so, how much ? (Vscode has strings attached too) Just interested since building my workflows around a company's products usually ends in tears (figuratively).

> Vscode has strings attached too

If software being FLOSS is in any way an important value of yours, the difference between Zed and Visual Studio Code is night and day:

Zed's GPL: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/blob/main/LICENSE-GPL MS Visual Studio Code's license: https://code.visualstudio.com/license

I believe this alone shows much more good will towards developers and much less strings attached.