Peter Sunde's request for clemency [Google translate]
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Peter Sunde's request for clemency [Google translate]
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Re: Peter Sunde's request for clemency [Google translate]
#2OT rant: I can't read these Google machine translations, language is not a collection of words, not even words + syntax, it's full of idioms and collocations and hidden associations and stylistically motivated violations of accepted conventions. Instead of a translator who knows both languages (and cultures) well, the translation is being made by a code that actually knows neither.
What I mean is: translating is very similar to writing or composing, it is technical only on a very superficial level (and I'm not implying codes can't theoretically match Human abilities, but that the current approach is quite limited).
Re: Peter Sunde's request for clemency [Google translate]
#3OT rant: I can't read these Google machine translations, language is not a collection of words, not even words + syntax, it's full of idioms and collocations and hidden associations and stylistically motivated violations of accepted conventions. Instead of a translator who knows both languages (and cultures) well, the translation is being made by a code that actually knows neither. What I mean is: translating is very…
For business or other functional writing, I think Google translations are more than adequate most of the time, especially between fairly similar languages (like English and Swedish).
Re: Peter Sunde's request for clemency [Google translate]
#4OT rant: I can't read these Google machine translations, language is not a collection of words, not even words + syntax, it's full of idioms and collocations and hidden associations and stylistically motivated violations of accepted conventions. Instead of a translator who knows both languages (and cultures) well, the translation is being made by a code that actually knows neither. What I mean is: translating is very…
For business or other functional writing, I think Google translations are more than adequate most of the time, especially between fairly similar languages (like English and Swedish).
The problem with this text is that it is very emotional, and I think a lot of the impact gets lost in translation.
Re: Peter Sunde's request for clemency [Google translate]
#5Earlier quoted context omitted.
For business or other functional writing, I think Google translations are more than adequate most of the time, especially between fairly similar languages (like English and Swedish).
The problem with this text is that it is very emotional, and I think a lot of the impact gets lost in translation.
I agree with both of you, for technical language a technical approach to machine translation works.
Re: Peter Sunde's request for clemency [Google translate]
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
For business or other functional writing, I think Google translations are more than adequate most of the time, especially between fairly similar languages (like English and Swedish).
The problem with this text is that it is very emotional, and I think a lot of the impact gets lost in translation.
It is an open question whether this is a fundamental problem with the approach, or simply a lack of relevant data for such translations. I suspect the former, but that's just a feeling. Perhaps with a sizeable corpus of literary translations, the system wouldn't do so badly.
Re: Peter Sunde's request for clemency [Google translate]
#7OT rant: I can't read these Google machine translations, language is not a collection of words, not even words + syntax, it's full of idioms and collocations and hidden associations and stylistically motivated violations of accepted conventions. Instead of a translator who knows both languages (and cultures) well, the translation is being made by a code that actually knows neither. What I mean is: translating is very…
It almost goes without saying. Near perfect machine translation is very very very difficult.
In the text, the author talks about people by name, but then Google translates their name from Swedish to English so the sentence loses some clarity and accuracy. But I do find it somewhat readable - I get the gist of what he is saying.
It does sound like, from his letter, the spokesman for TPB was convicted, jailed, and fined 100 million kroner just for being associated with TPB and not any crimes actually committed. They accuse him of running TPB load balancer which he claims he has never seen or logged in to..
He deserves clemency.
Re: Peter Sunde's request for clemency [Google translate]
#8OT rant: I can't read these Google machine translations, language is not a collection of words, not even words + syntax, it's full of idioms and collocations and hidden associations and stylistically motivated violations of accepted conventions. Instead of a translator who knows both languages (and cultures) well, the translation is being made by a code that actually knows neither. What I mean is: translating is very…
Really? Is complaining about the translation the best comment you can make about this letter?
Re: Peter Sunde's request for clemency [Google translate]
#9OT rant: I can't read these Google machine translations, language is not a collection of words, not even words + syntax, it's full of idioms and collocations and hidden associations and stylistically motivated violations of accepted conventions. Instead of a translator who knows both languages (and cultures) well, the translation is being made by a code that actually knows neither. What I mean is: translating is very…
To really make a good translation you need an absurdly huge database of objects, it's meaning, properties, relationships and labels in each language. For example, in japanese, you must use different prepositions if the object in question is round or flat. How do you know if the object being talked is round or flat? You just need an absurdly huge database with every little property possible, for every object in existance.
No one is anywhere near a good complete database yet, like we do in our memories. That's why machine translation currently suck. But Google is building such a database, which they call the "Knowledge Graph". Which, among many other things, will allow for much better translation.
Re: Peter Sunde's request for clemency [Google translate]
#10OT rant: I can't read these Google machine translations, language is not a collection of words, not even words + syntax, it's full of idioms and collocations and hidden associations and stylistically motivated violations of accepted conventions. Instead of a translator who knows both languages (and cultures) well, the translation is being made by a code that actually knows neither. What I mean is: translating is very…
I find the translation surprisingly good and helpful, even though I know quite a lot of Swedish.