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Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

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Post by carstenhag »

BizarroLand wrote: post #13
AlienRobot wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Youtube, which makes money off ads, allow a web browser that blocks ads to access Youtube when they could just refuse to serve their user agent?

Because they don't want to get sued for monopolistic practices, I guess. Since the Goo owns Chrome and Youtube, Youtube blocking non-chrome user agents would be actionable. Even if they whitelisted Safari, that would still be actionable.

It's not just YouTube blocking something. It's Google not paying Mozilla millions for keeping Google as default search engine

Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

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Post by vzaliva »

JAM1971 wrote: post #37
vzaliva wrote: post #28

I do not know how it is financed, but I would rather have them use these funds to fix desktop version first. Content advisory: longish rant ahead. I have 4 email accounts: 2 Gmail, 1 Outlook, and 1 ProtonMail. I also use Google Calendar and Outlook Calendar. The reason I switched to Thunderbird was to manage them all in one uniform UI instead of keeping 6 open tabs. I tried hard to love it, but after about 6 months,…

1) You can see replies/sent messages in Conversation/Threaded view (I do this). Unfortunately I don't recall exactly how I set this up, but this might get you there: https://www.reddit.com/r/Thunderbird/comments/tvb02t/show_re... 2) Expression Search NG might solve your search issues: https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-us/thunderbird/addon/expre...

On your #1 issue: it’s a well-known and acknowledged problem. Basically, the current Thunderbird doesn’t have unique message IDs across folders, which causes issues when displaying messages from different folders in threaded view. One of the common workarounds involves making copies of Sent messages in other folders like INBOX.

There’s a major internal message storage rework project happening in Thunderbird, which should fix this once completed. You can try it in some beta builds, but of course, it’s still beta and isn’t compatible with some plugins yet. Most notably, the TBSync plugin, which provides Microsoft Outlook integration, doesn’t support it at this stage.

Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

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Post by callahad »

pluc wrote: post #42

Right when there are better alternatives (fastmail, proton, etc). Another bonus-worthy move by Mozilla's CEO!

Thunderbird is housed in MZLA Technologies, an independent subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation and completely separate from the Mozilla Corporation or its CEO's remit.

Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

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Post by advisedwang »

pluc wrote: post #42

Right when there are better alternatives (fastmail, proton, etc). Another bonus-worthy move by Mozilla's CEO!

Thunderbird is an email client, not an email service. Fastmail and proton only allow you to connect to their service. Thunderbird can use any IMAP/POP + SMTP email service.

Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

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Post by dvdkon »

carstenhag wrote: post #39
cocok wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there any way to get push notifications instead of polling? Push support has been there for a long time now. You can enable it on a per-folder basis, check in Manage folders.

How would a true push (and not poll) method work, if all you have is the local thunderbird client? If I had to guess, the question from the other person is not related to mail poll/push stuff Usually you rely on a server telling the mobile app that there's something new to poll (or the message is directly sent and displayed).

A TCP connection to the IMAP server is kept open, with the server sending a packet whenever anything interesting happens (see IMAP IDLE), waking up the client app. This is how all push notifications work nowadays, IIRC, since you can't send information directly to clients without a persistent connection, due to NAT.

Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

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Post by Zak »

dboreham wrote: post #34
gaiagraphia wrote: post #6

Is there a reason why Mozilla haven't used their position and funding to just hoover up all the most successful open source projects to create a more cohesive ecosystem? Surely any addons - like uBlock Origin - which have massive usage should just be baked in to the browser by this point? The likes of Nextcloud and Mattermost would also be great additions in trying to create a true rival to Microsoft and Google's off…

> uBlock Origin - which have massive usage I'm guessing there are legal risk issues with this. While ad blocking flies under the radar as a mom/pop operation with guerilla marketing the offended parties turn a blind eye. Make it a feature of a "corporate" product, and they'll sue.

Brave, Opera, and Vivaldi are all corporate, for-profit browsers with adblockers built in.

Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

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Post by kelnos »

mdaniel wrote: post #35
encom wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fastmail is a webapp, and it's very obvious. I use it out of laziness, because I don't use email on my phone that much. I wish they'd make a proper mobile client, but I don't think they care, since it's been like this forever.

OT1H, I don't have a horse in the fight about whether you're right or not, but I was curious because if it is a web app they did a damn stellar job But no, it's a formal android app and I offer two pieces of supporting evidence: the resource browser shows the apk very obviously has a bazillion android resource files https://imgur.com/a/pUbQ8Bp > and it supports native fingerprint auth

I'm not sure why it doesn't work offline, then. The UI refuses to load at all if I don't have an internet connection.

Native fingerprint auth can be implemented on top of a webapp; that isn't evidence either way.

Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

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Post by aidenn0 »

vzaliva wrote: post #28

I do not know how it is financed, but I would rather have them use these funds to fix desktop version first. Content advisory: longish rant ahead. I have 4 email accounts: 2 Gmail, 1 Outlook, and 1 ProtonMail. I also use Google Calendar and Outlook Calendar. The reason I switched to Thunderbird was to manage them all in one uniform UI instead of keeping 6 open tabs. I tried hard to love it, but after about 6 months,…

Gnome evolution works great; I've used it with everything you are talking about except ProtonMail.

It defaults to the bizarre Gnome look (no native controls, toolbar buttons haphazardly strewn through the title bar), but you can change it in the preferences if you hate that as much as I do.

Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

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Post by altairprime »

kelnos wrote: post #48
mdaniel wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OT1H, I don't have a horse in the fight about whether you're right or not, but I was curious because if it is a web app they did a damn stellar job But no, it's a formal android app and I offer two pieces of supporting evidence: the resource browser shows the apk very obviously has a bazillion android resource files https://imgur.com/a/pUbQ8Bp > and it supports native fingerprint auth

I'm not sure why it doesn't work offline, then. The UI refuses to load at all if I don't have an internet connection. Native fingerprint auth can be implemented on top of a webapp; that isn't evidence either way.

Native app doesn’t guarantee “caches data for offline access”.
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