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Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

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post #7

They are keeping both: "Quite a few people seem to love K-9 Mail and have asked us to keep the robot dog around. We believe it should be relatively little effort to build two apps from one code base. The apps would be virtually identical and only differ in app name, app icon, and the color scheme. So our current plan is to keep K-9 Mail around." https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/12/when-will-thunderbird-f...

Incredibly easy if you figure out how to use Android build variants.

I'm using and loving Thunderbird for Android.

Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

#22
post #14

I've been happy with FairEmail but I think I will give this a try when it hits F-Droid. At this stage it's mainly curiosity, but if they get new features like sync with desktop down the line it will be great.

I tried it not long ago. It's nowhere near as polished and good as FairEmail, unfortunately. I didn't last more than a week. There was a lot missing.

Yeah, FairEmail is great. Personally I can't sing its praises enough. I'm thinking of upgrading to Pro for the home screen widgets too.

I also find it surprisingly user friendly, the UI is easy to navigate and the advanced stuff is pretty well communicated e.g. templates and mailbox rules.

Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

#23
post #7

They are keeping both: "Quite a few people seem to love K-9 Mail and have asked us to keep the robot dog around. We believe it should be relatively little effort to build two apps from one code base. The apps would be virtually identical and only differ in app name, app icon, and the color scheme. So our current plan is to keep K-9 Mail around." https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/12/when-will-thunderbird-f...

Isn't that something a single App can do? I have some apps that allow you to change their icon, at least... I guess if you have a CI pipeline it's easy to copy/paste or add a Matrix job, but it seems like an odd choice.

Not if you want to keep previous app installations updatable etc. while also having a different app ID.

Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

#24

Is there a reason why Mozilla haven't used their position and funding to just hoover up all the most successful open source projects to create a more cohesive ecosystem? Surely any addons - like uBlock Origin - which have massive usage should just be baked in to the browser by this point? The likes of Nextcloud and Mattermost would also be great additions in trying to create a true rival to Microsoft and Google's off…

> Is there a reason why Mozilla haven't used their position and funding to just hoover up all the most successful open source projects to create a more cohesive ecosystem?

How does this support their mission or make them money? They are rich, but also wasteful with their spendings. So anything has to show value for their Mission. And they are having enough projects of their own, just none which are really working well.

> Surely any addons - like uBlock Origin - which have massive usage should just be baked in to the browser by this point?

uBlock works fine on its own. It's probably better for them to be independent.

> The likes of Nextcloud and Mattermost would also be great additions

Nextcloud and Mattermost have both their own company. Do expect Mozilla to buy them out? Or should they just offer a hosted version with their own branding? What would be the value here?

> create a true rival to Microsoft and Google's offerings.

Mozilla has no real income outside of Google paying for a position in their Browser. And the money they have is far too low to compete with those behemoths in that space.

Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

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post #2

Why didn't they just rename K-9 instead? I just gave it a try and it really is just K-9 with slight UI tweaks.

That is just one of the downsides of the "stores" and basic package managers which do not have dependencies management where you can't do a transitional package.

Why is a transitional package necessary? Surely all of this isn't just to change the package name, which 99% of users won't see or care about.

Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

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Is there a reason why Mozilla haven't used their position and funding to just hoover up all the most successful open source projects to create a more cohesive ecosystem? Surely any addons - like uBlock Origin - which have massive usage should just be baked in to the browser by this point? The likes of Nextcloud and Mattermost would also be great additions in trying to create a true rival to Microsoft and Google's off…

I'm not sure I want that kind of "conglomeration" in the FOSS space. Sure, there can be benefits to having a behemoth with a lot of resources behind it to support FOSS projects. But it also brings with it various problems of incentives and resource allocation. Managing multiple different software projects within one organisation is something a lot of well-run, for-profit companies struggle to do effectively, I don't think Mozilla would be much better at it.

Also, I personally don't have any issue with Mozilla but a lot of people seem to hate them. I can only imagine all the internet drama that would ensue if they started acquiring projects like LibreOffice and Nextcloud.

Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

#27
post #20

Is there any way to get push notifications instead of polling? My email provider is Fastmail, maybe there are some kind of IMAP extensions that can do this?

Fastmail thinks JMAP is the future of mobile(?) email API access

Also, I am just curious if you're unhappy with their android app? I find it very full featured

Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

#28
I do not know how it is financed, but I would rather have them use these funds to fix desktop version first.

Content advisory: longish rant ahead.

I have 4 email accounts: 2 Gmail, 1 Outlook, and 1 ProtonMail. I also use Google Calendar and Outlook Calendar. The reason I switched to Thunderbird was to manage them all in one uniform UI instead of keeping 6 open tabs.

I tried hard to love it, but after about 6 months, I am ready to give up. The main annoyance is that I cannot see sent and received messages in a single thread. I know this feature is coming soon, but I do not know how long to wait.

The second problem is that Thunderbird’s search, frankly, sucks. For example, while focused on a folder, if I start a search, it doesn't automatically narrow it to that folder; it searches across all my mail. I've noticed that when I need to find something, I open the Gmail web interface.

Finally, there are bugs. Most of them are relatively minor, but combined, they ruin my user experience. There are strange calendar event reminders that will not go away, bugs when event modifications do not sync to the server, and the most bizarre bug: when I reply to my own message, it sets the FROM field to one of the recipients, making it look like I’m faking someone’s email. Sometimes, when I reply to an HTML-heavy message, the editor in my reply starts in white font on a white background, so I cannot see what I’m typing until I change it. Etc.

I do not want to belittle the hard work all the developers put into Thunderbird. It’s a very complex piece of open-source software that does many good things. It just seems to fall a little short.

So, I am seriously contemplating giving up and going back to the web interfaces for my respective email accounts.

Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

#29
post #20

Is there any way to get push notifications instead of polling? My email provider is Fastmail, maybe there are some kind of IMAP extensions that can do this?

Yes! They just moved the settings around compared to K-9. You have to open the folders side bar, hit Manage Folders, then tap your folder and turn on "Enable Push" (and probably Sync and Notifications too). Annoying that you have to do this manually for every folder but it does work great!

Re: Thunderbird for Android Now Available

#30
post #20

Is there any way to get push notifications instead of polling? My email provider is Fastmail, maybe there are some kind of IMAP extensions that can do this?

> Is there any way to get push notifications instead of polling?

Push support has been there for a long time now. You can enable it on a per-folder basis, check in Manage folders.

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