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Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by arthem » Wed, Oct 30, 2024, 6:35 AM UTC

bonestamp2 wrote: post #393

kev009 wrote: post #273

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I had the Dell 8k monitor you mentioned, the picture quality was great but it died after a few years not long after the warranty expired (a gut punch at the purchase price) and they said too bad so sad... ok that's fine but I will never buy another Dell product again. It was released too early to have proper displayport support and I had to use a custom nvidia-driver X11 config to make it mostly work as two monitors.…

You may want to look at the Samsung 5K monitor. It can often be had for $700. The sharpness of text is beautiful, especially if you're using a mac since it's optimized at 218ppi to avoid scaling. But, it might be smaller than you want. Apple also makes one that is nearly identical, except for the price. PS - I have seen Dell go downhill as well. I returned the last Dell laptop I bought. My wife was sitting next to me…

Have had a similar experience with Dell. Have exclusively used new and second-hand Dell Laptops (Inspiron & Latitude) for the past fifteen years with no problems. Purchased a XPS 15 directly from Dell five months ago and the battery charging circuitry has fried itself. Support ticket has been open for 40+ days awating parts...

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by Melatonic » Wed, Oct 30, 2024, 6:55 AM UTC

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #293

dylan604 wrote: post #145

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I didn't see any mention of how many times he has to pick up his mouse when it gets to the edge of the pad to get the mouse from one edge of the screen to the other.

I find it annoying that they've kind of got rid of mouse, tails and other easy ways of finding the mice pointer. That's one of the main drawbacks of a massive screen is if you lose the pointer it takes a lot longer to find it. It's not a linear scale based on the width of the monitor. It's with the square. So 50-in monitor is going to be about four times longer to find a mouse pointer than a 30-in one. I don't like t…

Just switch to a neon pink pointer and make it larger. Problem solved.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by npunt » Wed, Oct 30, 2024, 6:57 AM UTC

The new Macs with M4 Pro/Max have Thunderbolt 5 which supports up to 120Gbps video bandwidth: 3x that of previous gen. That should cover 8k120 or multiple 8k60 displays! And the regular M4 now supports 8k60 displays I believe due to DSC.

New ideal setup is 8k120hz TV placed about 3-4' away. Better for the eyes too.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by hhejrkrn » Wed, Oct 30, 2024, 7:04 AM UTC

dllu wrote: post #174

Author here, ask me anything! Apart from programming, one of the motivations for getting the 8K display is to look at lidar point clouds. For example the desktop background in my post is a lidar map of Bernal Hill in San Francisco, which I've here downsampled to only 13006 x 7991 px for your convenience [1]. Admittedly, when I bought it at first, I didn't realize there would be so many random issues, as manufacturers…

I did this same thing with a 50" 4k TV ... I get and it does work .... My biggest issue is the tv brightness levels even at low were waaaaaaay too bright... I was using LCD ... Is oled better for this????

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by Refusing23 » Wed, Oct 30, 2024, 7:17 AM UTC

hhejrkrn wrote: post #404

dllu wrote: post #174

Author here, ask me anything! Apart from programming, one of the motivations for getting the 8K display is to look at lidar point clouds. For example the desktop background in my post is a lidar map of Bernal Hill in San Francisco, which I've here downsampled to only 13006 x 7991 px for your convenience [1]. Admittedly, when I bought it at first, I didn't realize there would be so many random issues, as manufacturers…

I did this same thing with a 50" 4k TV ... I get and it does work .... My biggest issue is the tv brightness levels even at low were waaaaaaay too bright... I was using LCD ... Is oled better for this????

OLEDs generally get less bright than LEDs

but you should be able to adjust brightness on either the TV or your OS (or both)

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by Refusing23 » Wed, Oct 30, 2024, 7:23 AM UTC

satvikpendem wrote: post #238

cheschire wrote: post #228

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I wish deep desks were more common! Modern ultrawide curved monitors sit way too close for comfort for me due to the way their legs have to be angled further back for center of gravity. custom desks end up being so expensive.

Any good deep desks that you've found so far?

easiest is buying a table top in a DIY store and get it cut to the size you want. my local DIY store has sizes up to 100 cm x severalMeters.

most desks are only 60 or 80 cm

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by arkh » Wed, Oct 30, 2024, 7:31 AM UTC

calmbonsai wrote: post #346

jszymborski wrote: post #327

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I had a similar experience with Dell after they wanted the price of a new laptop for a replacement laptop battery. This was for the Dell Studio back when battery packs were made to be swappable by simply sliding a latch. After that phone call to customer support, I made a similar vow to never buy another Dell product. These days, I use a Framework laptop.

FWIW, it was the same (even at the enterprise level). We had a commodity (local cloud) computing Dell infra in the mid 2010s and were constantly replacing/returning “simple stuff” (fans, support flanges, memory, NICs). “Dude, you’re gettn’ a Dell” became—-nope, never again.

I feel like there are not good quality hardware company nowadays.

Dell: the land of motherboard dying and dog shit trackpads.

Asus: dead soldered RAM.

Most BIOS: too long to boot, it's fucking 2024 what is your BIOS doing it needs more than 2s to boot? It was taking the same time to boot 30 years ago.

Every mouse: double click problem due to wrong use of the actuators.

And every hardware company has to try to cram some badly designed software and require you to create an account.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by Maakuth » Wed, Oct 30, 2024, 7:44 AM UTC

Aurornis wrote: post #312

raisedbyninjas wrote: post #310

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I didn't smell anything. A 200W PSU isn't terribly expensive and being cheaper than more efficient processors seems reasonable. I also only run a single 4k monitor so haven't thought about driving 4x the pixels recently.

> I didn't smell anything. A 200W PSU isn't terribly expensive and being cheaper than more efficient processors seems reasonable 200W is the realm of powerful GPUs and enthusiast/server CPUs. Common sense would rule out an 8K TV requiring as much power as an entire gaming GPU just to move pixels from the HDMI port to the panel.

And certainly it would require active cooling. TV with audible fans could be a hard sell!

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by wongogue » Wed, Oct 30, 2024, 7:52 AM UTC

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #259

Good show. The one issue that I have with using TVs as "monitors," is that they are too damn "smart." They play with the images, and it can be a devil to find all the settings, to turn them off. On my Samsung, there's a couple of things that I can't turn off.

Is there a Game mode? That would turn off almost everything.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by rob74 » Wed, Oct 30, 2024, 7:54 AM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #390

dllu wrote: post #174

Author here, ask me anything! Apart from programming, one of the motivations for getting the 8K display is to look at lidar point clouds. For example the desktop background in my post is a lidar map of Bernal Hill in San Francisco, which I've here downsampled to only 13006 x 7991 px for your convenience [1]. Admittedly, when I bought it at first, I didn't realize there would be so many random issues, as manufacturers…

I am using a 43 inch 4k monitor so I am allin on big screen real estate. But I find that even with a quarter of your screen area, I struggle to read the corners of the screen, the bottom is often obstructed by whatever is lying on my desk, and I had to make the mouse cursor bigger as I kept losing it. I doubt that an even bigger screen would be practical. I do have two 43in monitors side by side but the other one is…

32" being (IMHO) too small and 43" too large, I have invested in a rare (and relatively expensive) 38" 4K monitor (Asus/ROG Swift PG38UQ, ~1000€ when I bought it, hasn't gone down much since), and until now I can only say good things about it. It's big enough to use without scaling (except for a few websites with tiny font size), but small enough so you can have a reasonable distance between the bottom and the desk and still see all four corners without craning your head around too much. It has a fixed foot (only the vertical angle is adjustable), and I originally thought I would have to buy an extra fully adjustable monitor stand, but so far I'm happy with the "default" settings. I'm not getting another one because of space limitations (and spouse tolerance issues), but compared to the two WUXGA monitors I had before, it's already almost four times as much screen space, so that should be enough for the foreseeable future.