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Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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The memory bandwidth on Apple silicon is only sometimes comparable to, and in many cases worse than, that of a GPU. For example, an nVidia RTX 4060 Ti 16GB GPU (not a high-end card by any means) has memory bandwidth of 288GiB/sec, which is more than double that of the M4 CPU. On the higher end, building a machine with 6 to 8 24GB GPUs such as RTX 3090s would be comparable in cost (as well as available memory) to a hi…

Note that they said the _Mac Studio_ which in the M2 model has between 400GB/s and 800GB/s memory bandwidth. https://www.apple.com/mac-studio/specs/ Edit: since my reply you have edited your comment to mention the Studio, but the fact remains that the M2 Max has at least ~40% greater bandwidth than the number you quoted as an example.

For reference comparing to what the big companies use, an H100 has over 3TB/s bandwidth. A nice home lab might be built around 4090s — two years old at this point — which have about 1TB/s.

Apple's chips have the advantage of being able to be specced out with tons of RAM, but performance isn't going to be in the same ballpark of even fairly old Nvidia chips.

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> I don't think these even boot once the SSDs die. All Macs that I know of let you configure the boot drive. I had an older Mac Mini with a spinning HDD. I added an external SSD, set that up as the boot drive, and never touched the slow drive again. I'd be extremely surprised if you couldn't do the same with this.

I can't find an official source, but from what I've heard the newer Macs need to boot from the internal SSD. https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/s/CZOHuFQcy4

Correct, the stage 2 bootloader and system firmware must be on the SSD. The OS can then boot from an external volume.

https://support.apple.com/guide/security/boot-process-secac7...

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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This seems like the perfect home media transcoding server (Plex, Kodi, etc). I am curious if these will ever be able to run Linux.

Almost certainly. Asahi linux is getting pretty useable on M1 and M2. They don't support M3 yet, let alone M4, but support will surely come eventually.

> support will surely come eventually

I wouldn't be so sure - if marcan loses interest (already looks like it), who is going to keep up with supporting the latest Apple chips?

When the M series chips were the hot new thing, there sure was developer interest - but now that a new chip is released every year, it becomes boring drudgery.

Look at support for T2 Macs - it took a decade to get them supported, not because the hardware was so different, but mainly because the hardware was 'boring'.

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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So that's why a tram just drove into an apple store today [1]. (4 got just minor damages, miraculously) 1: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/29/tram-derails-a...

It’s just a store that sells Apple products, but anyway, pretty crazy!

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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I have an NVME SSD on a TB enclosure and I get 2600MB/s read speeds on my Mac Studio.

Mind sharing which brand you use for external storage?

Not the OP but I use the following [1] enclosure and [2] NVME SSD on my MacBook Pro and get read / write speeds > 2,500MB/s.

[1] enclosure: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BB74BQVN/

[2] drive: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B7CQ2CHH/

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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I get 2GB/s+ with a USB4 NVME enclosure. If I buy this, this is where the main storage will be.

Can you share more details about your external storage setup?

I'm not the OP but I use this [1] enclosure and [2] NVME SSD on my MacBook Pro and get read & write speeds > 2,500MB/s.

[1] enclosure: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BB74BQVN/

[2] drive: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B7CQ2CHH/

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Right. The repairability argument is the reasonable discussion to have. The silly pricing games are more of a red herring.

I think it's more relevant with Apple because they've removed all the competition for basically all upgrades to their devices by either soldering things to the board or bundling them into their SOC. When there's no alternative their prices become the only option.

The Mac Studio technically still has socketed SSDs, which presumably cuts costs by not having to manage a separate motherboard SKU for every SSD capacity, but they went out of their way to design a proprietary SSD module format rather than just using the standard...

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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No mention of the SSD size that was the reason I returned my Mac mini 256Gb last year was just a pain juggling files

Base model is 256GB configurable up to 2TB, all others start at 512GB, the M4 Pro model can go up to 8TB

You can get some decent size external usb SSDs. I have the Samsung T5 2TB. I think they have larger models now. Works pretty well. And with USB-C speeds are very usable. You can probably get faster/bigger stuff via thunderbolt.

I'm considering getting one and a nice big monitor or TV. It needs to run x-plane 12 at decent speeds and maybe support a bit of light gaming. My macbook M1 pro is actually pretty decent for this but the screen is too small for me to easily read the instruments. I expect this will do better even in the base setup.

Otherwise my needs are pretty modest. I'd love to see steam add some emulation support for these things as I have some older games that I enjoy playing. I currently play those on a crappy old intel laptop running linux. I've also been eyeing a new AMD mini PC with the latest amd stuff (Beelink's SER9).

Seems pretty nice as well and seems like it is more performance for the money. Apple is doing its usual thing of charging you hundreds of euros for 50 euro upgrades. Get the base mac studio instead. It probably makes more sense if you are going down that path.

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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> Mac mini is made with over 50 percent recycled content overall, including 100 percent recycled aluminum in the enclosure, 100 percent recycled gold plating in all Apple-designed printed circuit boards, and 100 percent recycled rare earth elements in all magnets. The electricity used to manufacture Mac mini is sourced from 100 percent renewable electricity. And, to address 100 percent of the electricity customers us…

What does it mean for the gold to be "recycled"? I get that the aluminum probably came for a pile of cans, but does this mean that the gold definitely came from a pile of electronics? Or could it be that they melted down a few old $20 coins from the US? It's not like a lot of gold ends up in landfills.

Per the New York Times:

"According to the World Gold Council, recycled gold accounted for 28 percent of the total global gold supply of 4,633 metric tons in 2020; 90 percent of that recycled gold comes from discarded jewelry and the rest from a growing mountain of electronic waste such as cellphones and laptops."

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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> With M4, Mac mini delivers up to 1.8x faster CPU performance and 2.2x faster GPU performance over the M1 model They're comparing three generations back now? Oh, I see that they never updated the Mini for M3. So it's only two generations of Mini. Still, I prefer to see one generation comparisons. And it's kind of weird that Apple doesn't keep their smaller product lines more up to date. They certainly have the resou…

> They're comparing three generations back now?

My guess is the leap from intel to M1 was significant for an upgrade and M1 vs M2/M3 wasn’t really. I’m personally on an M1 and use it heavily but I don’t think I need the M4 jump still.

The mini hardware is appealing to me though.

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