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Re: Charles Carreon Drops Bogus Lawsuit Against The Oatmeal Creator

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Post by kposehn » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 6:24 AM UTC

CaptainZapp wrote: post #38

kposehn wrote: post #3

I'm quite glad this brouhaha is over - it not only threatened a legitimate fundraiser, but also (should it have gone through) potentially threatened freedom of speech and expression across the web. Enough is enough, and Carreon saw fit to realize this.

Unfortunately I wouldn't bet on the fact that this is really over. Mr. Carreon sounds, charitably put, like a rather unhinged person with a streak for vendetta. From the Popehat's excellent coverage of this sordid issue: "2. Dismissal is, without court intervention, without prejudice, meaning that Mr. Carreon could re-file if he wanted. Will he? Who knows." The whole post here : http://www.popehat.com/2012/07/03/oatm…

Ahh, interesting. Thanks for posting that link.

Re: Charles Carreon Drops Bogus Lawsuit Against The Oatmeal Creator

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Post by scott_w » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 6:29 AM UTC

Xylakant wrote: post #40

While this end is certainly favorable for Inman, I'd have preferred if this was decided in court. This way Carreon can pretend that he had to abandon his just campaign under pressure of the savage hordes of the Internet and try again with a softer target than Inman. If he had been thrown out of court with a clear statement, things would look different.

A similar situation occurred in the UK, with a legal firm sending out extortion letters threatening to take people to court for copyright infringement.

A number replied demanding their day in court and, in the same way, the complainant withdrew the case.

However, the judge in the case refused the application and demanded they come to court, so he could enforce judgement, and punish the complainant for filing a frivolous lawsuit.

If i remember correctly, the complainant went bankrupt, dispanding his company, in an attempt to avoid going to trial.

Re: Charles Carreon Drops Bogus Lawsuit Against The Oatmeal Creator

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Post by btilly » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 6:37 AM UTC

davidw wrote: post #39

mrobataille wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, where's your rules list?

http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html is pretty good.

Those rules I happily agree with. I also think that the original article fits within those rules. And, "Sparks conversation that cannot be found elsewhere on the Internet" is not among those rules.

And that is enough navel gazing for me tonight.

Re: Charles Carreon Drops Bogus Lawsuit Against The Oatmeal Creator

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Post by alttab » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 7:06 AM UTC

keithnoizu wrote: post #9

I'll go with the whole thing was a well orchestrated multi party facade to pump money into cancer research.

Scandal, controversy, entertainment, and fundraising? All the elements of a juicy story with positive outcomes all around!

Re: Charles Carreon Drops Bogus Lawsuit Against The Oatmeal Creator

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Post by masklinn » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 7:47 AM UTC

Xylakant wrote: post #40

While this end is certainly favorable for Inman, I'd have preferred if this was decided in court. This way Carreon can pretend that he had to abandon his just campaign under pressure of the savage hordes of the Internet and try again with a softer target than Inman. If he had been thrown out of court with a clear statement, things would look different.

> This way Carreon can pretend that he had to abandon his just campaign under pressure of the savage hordes of the Internet and try again with a softer target than Inman.

He's actually claiming he won, and essentially that it's thanks to him the money went to the charities and Inman did not take a picture of it.

Also, because he dismissed his own suit he can re-file at will later on.

Re: Charles Carreon Drops Bogus Lawsuit Against The Oatmeal Creator

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Post by acabal » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 8:35 AM UTC

How is Carreon going to be punished?

It's great that Inman won, but he won not in small part because he's a famous personality that helped gather internet rage--and then the EFF--to his side. But what if he was a nobody? EFF would have very likely told him they were too busy, Carreon would have pressed on, and lots and lots of hard-earned money would have gone down the drain. It makes me so mad that the legal system is so one-sided. Surely Carreon at least must be paying Inman's attorneys' fees!

Re: Charles Carreon Drops Bogus Lawsuit Against The Oatmeal Creator

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Post by pooriaazimi » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 8:36 AM UTC

I wish they would go to court. I'd love nothing more than than the judge saying when he was issuing his ruling: "By the way, I must add I'm ashamed that I'm working in the same legal system as you, Mr. Carreon. I wish I could disqualify you from doing legal stuff from now on". That would make my day.

Re: Charles Carreon Drops Bogus Lawsuit Against The Oatmeal Creator

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Post by Xylakant » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 8:41 AM UTC

masklinn wrote: post #45

Xylakant wrote: post #40

While this end is certainly favorable for Inman, I'd have preferred if this was decided in court. This way Carreon can pretend that he had to abandon his just campaign under pressure of the savage hordes of the Internet and try again with a softer target than Inman. If he had been thrown out of court with a clear statement, things would look different.

> This way Carreon can pretend that he had to abandon his just campaign under pressure of the savage hordes of the Internet and try again with a softer target than Inman. He's actually claiming he won, and essentially that it's thanks to him the money went to the charities and Inman did not take a picture of it. Also, because he dismissed his own suit he can re-file at will later on.

Well, even worse so.

Re: Charles Carreon Drops Bogus Lawsuit Against The Oatmeal Creator

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Post by grabeh » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 10:19 AM UTC

scott_w wrote: post #42

Xylakant wrote: post #40

While this end is certainly favorable for Inman, I'd have preferred if this was decided in court. This way Carreon can pretend that he had to abandon his just campaign under pressure of the savage hordes of the Internet and try again with a softer target than Inman. If he had been thrown out of court with a clear statement, things would look different.

A similar situation occurred in the UK, with a legal firm sending out extortion letters threatening to take people to court for copyright infringement. A number replied demanding their day in court and, in the same way, the complainant withdrew the case. However, the judge in the case refused the application and demanded they come to court, so he could enforce judgement, and punish the complainant for filing a frivol…

ACS:Law was the firm in question which as you say subsequently disbanded although not before getting a verbal hiding from the judge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACS:Law).

Re: Charles Carreon Drops Bogus Lawsuit Against The Oatmeal Creator

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Post by scott_w » Wed, Jul 04, 2012, 10:37 AM UTC

grabeh wrote: post #49

scott_w wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A similar situation occurred in the UK, with a legal firm sending out extortion letters threatening to take people to court for copyright infringement. A number replied demanding their day in court and, in the same way, the complainant withdrew the case. However, the judge in the case refused the application and demanded they come to court, so he could enforce judgement, and punish the complainant for filing a frivol…

ACS:Law was the firm in question which as you say subsequently disbanded although not before getting a verbal hiding from the judge ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACS:Law ).

Thanks for the link. I remember the details were about accusing customers of downloading copyrighted pornography, which I was reluctant to search for from my work machine.