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Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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> Much like Gary Bernhardt's talk, which was panned because he made the problem statement and solution so obvious that people didn't realize they'd learned something non-trivial I really want to see this video, but I cannot find it anywhere. I checked https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcGKfGEEONaDvuLDFFKRf... but I believe Gary asks that his videos not be shown (which I am fine with). I also checked https://www.…

His "using you're types good" talk being censored is my go-to example for how "cancel culture" and "wokeness" has gone too far, a good useful talk not meant to be harmful to anybody, with no evidence that anybody was hurt by it, is removed from the world for the far reaching fear that one day some person might not be happy about it. The fact that years later people still want to learn from it and nobody has every tal…

I must have missed this drama. Who was offended by it? When was Gary "cancelled?"

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Even in states with a lower tip worker's minimum wage, they are still guaranteed to make the standard minimum wage if the tips don't make up the difference. Serving up food you didn't even cook isn't an intensely difficult or skilled job. Nobody should expect a 20% cut for doing that. It is not a customers responsibility to ensure unskilled service workers are rolling in largesse. Just making minimum wage is fair for…

>Serving up food you didn't even cook isn't an intensely difficult or skilled job. Then it should be easy to automate, but the best I've seen is a conveyor belt or a box on top of a roomba. In reality it's a very skilled job, it's just that most everyone is capable of doing it. And "fair" is any wage were you can live and increase the quality of your life over time as much as your work has increased the quality of ot…

lol forreal? its not skilled work i dont know what to say. your definition everything is skilled but thats not how people use it in this context and it becomes a useless term. also have you seen a vending machine? its already automated.. its literally what this person is doing: taking order, giving correct drink. yes they have ones that pour it and everything. even give the correct change.

and i dont even know where to start of your ideology of fair either. i feel like its flexible enough to use it however fits your idea why denying any other

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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This article doesn’t understand what was fundamentally wrong with Ballmer’s leadership and what Nadella actually changed. The specific technologies that were successful is irrelevant. Microsoft has and continues to invest in nearly every computer related technology that may come around the corner or they got late on. The problem with Microsoft was everything went through Windows. The entire company was designed to pr…

Well since Nadella I have been using less Microsoft products and probably won’t be using Windows anymore once my Windows 10 LTSC stops working.

I keep hearing praise for Nadella but all he is doing is alienating a lot of customers with his terrible decisions.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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The only thing missing from the article was to say that Ballmer loved Linux and open source but that he was misunderstood lol. Ballmer was a fucking despot and a piece of shit. That article is an ode to the disgusting despotism that Microsoft had.

Ballmer was a gorilla in an expensive suit.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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I worked at Microsoft from 2003-2007, and left a couple months after the iPhone launched (for totally unrelated reasons, but I wanted to situate the timeline). Steve was a terrible leader. He helped the company grow moribund, lazy, and self-absorbed. Stack ranking was a cancer[1]. Employees were far more interested in stabbing each other in the back than building world-class products. [1] https://www.theverge.com/201…

Kind of unrelated, but stack ranking is very much back now across the board now in big tech.

That’s appalling.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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If you want to learn more about MSFT during Ballmer era, i highly recommend the acquired podcast: https://www.acquired.fm/episodes/microsoft-volume-ii They come to the same conclusion as Dan - that Ballmer did a ton of things right and he was actually a much better CEO than the credit he's given today. Part 1 of the podcast focuses on Bill Gates' era - both episodes are super engaging, the research and preparation th…

Second this podcast. Ballmer basically setup Microsoft as the enterprise software company. From the first episode it seemed that Bill was actually more interested in the consumer side of things and wasn't that interested in the enterprise, but it was Ballmer that basically setup that entire business line in the first place especially with him managing the OS/2 with IBM and later NT.

I think a lot of fails for MS during the Ballmer era was them toeing the line post their anti-trust.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Bro there's no "wait staff" involved in this transaction. He purchased an item, the person handed it to him. This is well outside the bounds of what should be tipped.

Agree to disagree. We learned his schedule, we made sure to make his drink so it would be ready on time while also handling the hundreds of other orders in the morning rush. This is something we tried to do for every regular customer with a fixed order. I'd argue that this sort of thing is well within the bounds of what was 'tippable' service back then. But to be clear, tips weren't expected then like they are now. I…

Why would you do that though? Were you told to do this by the owner? If not, then that's on you and you should have treated him no differently than any other paying customer.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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> Microsoft under Ballmer made deep, long-term bets that set up Microsoft for success in the decades after his reign This is no doubt true. Under Ballmer, Nadella "led a transformation of the company's business and technology culture from client services to cloud infrastructure and services." [0] But the number of failed mobile (phone, small PC) initiatives and products, from long before the iPhone to multiple waves…

There were a lot of mistakes by the Windows Phone division but ultimately WP had zero chance of succeeding with Google sabotaging access to YouTube and their other services.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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> What frugality? He was paying the full price that it was being sold at. By that logic, most reading these comments should expect to hear from their employer: What annual bonus? What stock options? The company is paying full price that your time was being sold at.

Annual bonus is either performance based or as a retainer to make up for differences in the wages since the person was hired. Stock options are because you could be paid more or you are taking risks for future rewards. A mandatory tip is because your employer doesn't want to pay you full wage and instead of increasing the price and pay you more, they pass it over to the customers. So they get the same profits without…

Employees are paid for the work they are expected to perform during the hours they are at the office. The company doesn’t expect them to do more than that, however if they do, they get a nice bonus for it.

Baristas are paid to make iced tea. The customer doesn’t expect them to do more than that, but they can be nice, learn your name, prepare your tea ahead of time, change the tea recipe to something you enjoy more. Don’t you think they should get a nice bonus too?

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Tipping is a fundamentally flawed and exploitative system

> exploitative I worked in restaurants, and let me tell you, I never felt exploited in tipped positions. If anything, I felt like lucky at least compared everyone else in the restaurant industry. The real exploitation happens in the back of the house…

The parent comment did not specify the exploitative system as limited to tipees.
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