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Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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What frugality? He was paying the full price that it was being sold at.

> What frugality? He was paying the full price that it was being sold at. By that logic, most reading these comments should expect to hear from their employer: What annual bonus? What stock options? The company is paying full price that your time was being sold at.

Yeah no. Your annual bonus and stock options is between you and your employer. Your end customers don't pay for it directly, they are paid for within the cost of whatever product your employer is selling.

When tipping is no longer customary to receive good service and seeps into other aspects of lives it leads to all sorts of problems and situations.

This[1] is an extreme example of that situation in a different country but are we really ready to accept similar consequences and say they should've just paid the poor nurse ?

1. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/up-mainpuri-infant-die...

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Funny story. I used to see Steve almost every weekday for a couple of years. I can't speak to his business skills, but I can attest that he never once offered a tip for his daily black iced tea. We'd even have it ready for him before he showed up so he never had to wait! He would pay with cash, and I'd hand him his change and drink, and that was that. It's funny to me now: one of the richest men in the world and he n…

You think you should have received a tip for working behind the counter?

Or were you actually waiting tables and he'd be at a table?

If it's the latter I apologise for the brusqueness.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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This article doesn’t understand what was fundamentally wrong with Ballmer’s leadership and what Nadella actually changed. The specific technologies that were successful is irrelevant. Microsoft has and continues to invest in nearly every computer related technology that may come around the corner or they got late on. The problem with Microsoft was everything went through Windows. The entire company was designed to pr…

I don't know anything more than the next guy here, but just reading this, it seems like a really underrated and insightful comment. Thanks for explaining it so clearly.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Azure happened because of Nadella (who led the project) despite Ballmer.

Azure may be successful financially, but as someone who has finally used it for the last two years after 15 years of AWS and a little bit of GCP, I can't help but think the world would be a better place if it didn't exist or if some lesser player had that market share.

I disagree, I find Azure much easier to set up and use.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Funny story. I used to see Steve almost every weekday for a couple of years. I can't speak to his business skills, but I can attest that he never once offered a tip for his daily black iced tea. We'd even have it ready for him before he showed up so he never had to wait! He would pay with cash, and I'd hand him his change and drink, and that was that. It's funny to me now: one of the richest men in the world and he n…

Everyone, chill

Regardless of how you feel about tipping culture we're not talking about the average person nor are we talking about the average *experience*. The dude is worth north of $100bn, and is making nearly $10k per minute![0]. Someone who cannot spend his wealth. Someone who'd have to spend tens of millions of dollars every single day just to stop his wealth from growing. Someone who makes money faster than he can throw hundred dollar bills handfuls at a time.

We're not talking about anything normal here because no one here *literally* makes thousands of dollars in the time it takes to wipe their ass. You can become poor, he would need an act of god to do so.

We can have a conversation about tipping and how much everyone hates it, but to ignore the fact that we're talking about someone with this kind of money is... ludicrous[1]. Throwing down a hundred bucks means literally nothing to the man. It is not even what a penny is worth to most of you. He's not you and framing the discussion this way is obtuse. Rage on tipping, I don't give a fuck and I'll probably join you. He's not "sticking it to the man" or "standing up for his values" he *is*" the man. He's playing an important role in creating this machine you're raging against. I just don't understand any of you

  [0] 1e11*0.05/365/24/60
        |   |    |   |  |_ minute
        |   |    |   |____ hour
        |   |    |________ day
        |   |_____________ Conservative 5% yearly return
        |_________________ At least 25bn less than he is worth...

  [1] FWIW, I hate tipping too. Fuck the till based tips with the ever increasing percentages. I frequently click 0. But fuck it man, I'm a grad student. Still, if I'm a regular somewhere and they are giving me special service, I'm gonna throw a few dollars into the tip jar. Tipping culture or not they're going out of their way for me and I should show gratitude in some way (you can also do by other means)

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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I worked at Microsoft from 2003-2007, and left a couple months after the iPhone launched (for totally unrelated reasons, but I wanted to situate the timeline).

Steve was a terrible leader. He helped the company grow moribund, lazy, and self-absorbed. Stack ranking was a cancer[1]. Employees were far more interested in stabbing each other in the back than building world-class products.

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2013/11/12/5094864/microsoft-kills-...

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

#247

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His "using you're types good" talk being censored is my go-to example for how "cancel culture" and "wokeness" has gone too far, a good useful talk not meant to be harmful to anybody, with no evidence that anybody was hurt by it, is removed from the world for the far reaching fear that one day some person might not be happy about it. The fact that years later people still want to learn from it and nobody has every tal…

What was "wrong" about the talk exactly?

He effectively pretended to be dumb. And that included using the wrong "you're" and very simple dialects of English and mannerisms which he thought could potentially be seen as disparaging some groups.

I think it was so generic and so clearly a joke it would be insane to pretend it was making fun of a group that existed in real life.

For reference in the talk he also listed strongly typed languages as "weekly typed", static as dynamic, and had a MacBook on stage display a BSOD.

The talk was comedic genius and a fun tongue in cheek commentary on the industry in 8 minutes. But it has been deemed to dangerous to society to be allowed to exist.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

#248

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> What frugality? He was paying the full price that it was being sold at. By that logic, most reading these comments should expect to hear from their employer: What annual bonus? What stock options? The company is paying full price that your time was being sold at.

Annual bonus is either performance based or as a retainer to make up for differences in the wages since the person was hired. Stock options are because you could be paid more or you are taking risks for future rewards. A mandatory tip is because your employer doesn't want to pay you full wage and instead of increasing the price and pay you more, they pass it over to the customers. So they get the same profits without…

> Annual bonus is either performance based or as a retainer to make up for differences in the wages since the person was hired.

Sounds like a tip to me.

> Stock options are because you could be paid more or you are taking risks for future rewards.

Sounds to me like the allure of a job in which tipping is expected.

> A mandatory tip is because your employer doesn't want to pay you full wage ...

Tips are not mandatory by definition.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Funny story. I used to see Steve almost every weekday for a couple of years. I can't speak to his business skills, but I can attest that he never once offered a tip for his daily black iced tea. We'd even have it ready for him before he showed up so he never had to wait! He would pay with cash, and I'd hand him his change and drink, and that was that. It's funny to me now: one of the richest men in the world and he n…

You think you should have received a tip for working behind the counter? Or were you actually waiting tables and he'd be at a table? If it's the latter I apologise for the brusqueness.

This was a coffeehouse in Redmond. Tipping baristas has been a common thing for the past 50-60 years or so on the west coast of the US.

And no, I don't think we "should" have received a tip. Most regular customers did tip occasionally. He was an outlier but only notable because of his wealth.

Other customers who do never tipped were treated the exact same.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Bro there's no "wait staff" involved in this transaction. He purchased an item, the person handed it to him. This is well outside the bounds of what should be tipped.

Agree to disagree. We learned his schedule, we made sure to make his drink so it would be ready on time while also handling the hundreds of other orders in the morning rush. This is something we tried to do for every regular customer with a fixed order. I'd argue that this sort of thing is well within the bounds of what was 'tippable' service back then. But to be clear, tips weren't expected then like they are now. I…

Unless he specifically asked for that kind of service, I wouldn't tip either, and I refuse to tip a pickup order regardless of net worth, out of principle (unless I am making a non-standard request).
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