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Are there any statistics on how much of it is used in production?
If you have an Android phone, get FlutterShark and check which of your installed apps use Flutter. It's a surprising amount actually. For example, I just recently discovered that Supercell uses Flutter for their Supercell-ID flow.
Back when I worked on GWT, we had trouble accepting outside contributions because the team had a mandate to support Googlers. That is, much like other libraries and tools at Google, changes could not break google3. This means testing patches against google3 and either changing the patch, or fixing whatever code used it, and these are tasks that no outsider can do. Shepherding these patches is no fun when you have you…
What is google3?
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Assuming there are 20 million software engineers in the world writing code professionally, 1 million Flutter developers seems massively optimistic.
Yes. Realistically off by at least a magnitude. There is literally zero chance there's 1 million active developers working on this experimental Google Tech out there.
Seeing as React Native has somewhere around 1 million active developers, Flutter almost certainly does as well.
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Flutter is really not some big revelation and it's always shocking to me how it's evangelists act like it's the game changer no one else has noticed. It's just not that good? Just build native UIs. I don't know why cross platform UI has been such a hobbyhorse for so many for so long: it's a stupid idea.
What's a native UI? The only thing closeish to a native UI is macOS and iOS AppKit and UIKit. Winforms aka Win32 is still a thing, but Microsoft has been undogfooding that and putting out alternatives for years, now WinUI3 will definitely kill off Winforms for good! What is native on Linux? Gtk, Qt, Motif (lol)? And then Android? Ironic then that Google is the one behind Flutter. The concept of native outside of MacO…
Linux is not something that encompasses a GUI, so this is a misguided way to frame the underlying concern. One might as well ask what toolkit is native on smartphones, or what language is natively spoken by humans.
We should instead ask what is native on Plasma, or on GNOME.
"Oh, bother. That would mean I have to think of four things instead of three."
Well, yes, Pooh. But the things that make them different are the things that make them, them.
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Do you have a source for that claim? I'm pretty sure that is incorrect. Bytedance has said they use Flutter but for other projects.[0] Douyin is not mentioned anywhere. [0] https://flutter.dev/showcase/bytedance
I don't have access to any devices with Douyin on it, so I cannot confirm current usage. My knowledge of their usage is from discussions with ByteDance some many years ago when I was in charge of the Flutter project at Google. At the time they were using Flutter in 50+ applications (probably most of them internal), including Douyin (TikTok for China) as well as physical hardware kiosks on their campus, web apps, etc.…
[0] https://douyin.en.uptodown.com/android/download/87248716
[1] https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues/11884 - click on the search button in Douyin on the main page and search for something to get to a regular ScrollView. You don't need an account for this.
I'd rather put my money behind KMP by JetBrains. It has a more streamlines, practical, and consistent future than flutter, react native et al.
Flutter founder here. We use Flutter to build Mezzi (www.mezzi.com). In fact, we've worked with the OP (Matt) on our app. He's super knowledgeable about Flutter and it's inner workings. A great dev too. Flutter is awesome, but there are definitely bugs that lie unfixed for an uncomfortable period of time. This is not unique to Flutter ... with any open source project there's a lag between bug reports and bug fixes. T…
> Flutter founder here. Given that the literal founder of Flutter is in this thread using this introduction multiple times, it’s kinda hard to give you the benefit of the doubt that you honestly just meant “a founder using Flutter”.
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>Flutter is the best thing that happened to UI development since Qt. Most people don't realize how many apps written in Flutter they use daily, simply because it's impossible to tell I agree with you that Flutter has been a boon for cross platform development, but to say it's impossible to tell you're using a Flutter app is a bit of an exaggeration. I have no problem identifying Flutter apps. Not that I care as they…
Is the complete lack of accessibility still the giveaway? Last I looked Flutter was a complete nonstarter for accessibility.
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According to its web site, eBay, New York Times, Square, American Airlines.
I'm suspicious of those because it shows an ebay logo but then shows an app I've never heard of or used...is this the same for all the other logos? Where does NYT use flutter?
Flutter founder here. We use Flutter to build Mezzi (www.mezzi.com). In fact, we've worked with the OP (Matt) on our app. He's super knowledgeable about Flutter and it's inner workings. A great dev too. Flutter is awesome, but there are definitely bugs that lie unfixed for an uncomfortable period of time. This is not unique to Flutter ... with any open source project there's a lag between bug reports and bug fixes. T…
> Flutter founder here. Given that the literal founder of Flutter is in this thread using this introduction multiple times, it’s kinda hard to give you the benefit of the doubt that you honestly just meant “a founder using Flutter”.
Most likely GP saw the actual Flutter founder announcing themselves as "flutter founder" and assumed it was a common phrase for founders who use Flutter lol.