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Re: Standardizing Automotive Connectivity

#21

> The 48V architecture is the optimal long-term choice, requiring ¼ of the current to deliver the same amount of power. Is there a reason why 48V is better long term than going higher like 96V?

48v is probably more common than 96v in general, so more components available already.

For which - why standardize around this connector and not XLR, which is the first thing that comes to mind for 48V?

Too big/bulky?

Re: Standardizing Automotive Connectivity

#22
post #18

Tesla really deserves some kudos for pushing the 48V architecture and the Ethernet-based communication. It drastically simplifies the wiring mess that is in a typical car. And it's not even close. Just watch the teardown of Cybertruck and compare its wiring to something like F150.

We can simplify the wire mess today by using more CAN bus devices.

What is ethernet bringing to the picture?

Re: Standardizing Automotive Connectivity

#23
> Today a single vehicle typically requires over 200 connections—and the number of electrical

I initially thought this was referring to the connector between the charge port on the EV and the charger base station. Had to think for a second and realized it’s the electrical connections between the various components in an EV.

Glad to know I don’t have to carry 200+ dongles in case I buy an EV.

Re: Standardizing Automotive Connectivity

#24

> The 48V architecture is the optimal long-term choice, requiring ¼ of the current to deliver the same amount of power. Is there a reason why 48V is better long term than going higher like 96V?

I believe 50V is a safety limit.

And that's because of your skin resistance. Around 50V is when voltage starts to overcome it.

Re: Standardizing Automotive Connectivity

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post #23

> Today a single vehicle typically requires over 200 connections—and the number of electrical I initially thought this was referring to the connector between the charge port on the EV and the charger base station. Had to think for a second and realized it’s the electrical connections between the various components in an EV. Glad to know I don’t have to carry 200+ dongles in case I buy an EV.

That must be only the high voltage connections, right?

Re: Standardizing Automotive Connectivity

#27
post #2

> Tesla invites all device suppliers and vehicle manufacturers to join us in this initiative. This is not a standard in the sense that engineers use the term. Tesla is hoping it will be adopted as a standard and since Tesla doesn't appear to want to involve any standards bodies, Tesla appears to only be interested in making these connectors a de-facto standard. In any case, that is not a standard.

like NACS ?

Re: Standardizing Automotive Connectivity

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post #2

> Tesla invites all device suppliers and vehicle manufacturers to join us in this initiative. This is not a standard in the sense that engineers use the term. Tesla is hoping it will be adopted as a standard and since Tesla doesn't appear to want to involve any standards bodies, Tesla appears to only be interested in making these connectors a de-facto standard. In any case, that is not a standard.

There are different types of standards. Car design teams are big organizations; internal standards can help reduce the development effort. Tesla needs to coordinate with their suppliers, so sharing this helps even if it isn't used by other companies.

I think we should give Tesla the benefit of the doubt for now. Harmful use of patents could cause issues, but this has potential. We will simply see if other companies are interested, and if they are it can go from internal standard to de facto standard to formalized standard.

Re: Standardizing Automotive Connectivity

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The XKCD doesn't really apply here, since intra-vehicle 48v is kind of unexplored, so there aren't multiple competing standards for that in particular. I do agree that this isn't a real open and free standard however. edit: Inter to Intra.

Nitpick: intra -vehicle. Inter-vehicle power would be pretty weird.

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