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Kim Dotcom: Joe Biden Ordered the Megaupload Shutdown

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Re: Kim Dotcom: Joe Biden Ordered the Megaupload Shutdown

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Post by cjensen »

[deleted] wrote: post #46
cjensen wrote: post #38

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> So, when Biden talks, is that Obama talking? Maybe. Your reasoning fails here. An ATTORNEY does not just guess at who is ordering him to do something. An Attorney only obey an order from the VP if someone he reports to ordered him to, in which case the person who ordered him owns the responsibility for the action. And since the action is hardly a secret, that person knows and owns the action.

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I apologize for my abrasiveness. I meant only to disagree. Much of your reasoning was excellent and though I did not acknowledge it, I especially agree with the point that many in the executive branch would feel that an instruction from the VP is to be obeyed. I felt that this point was so strong, that it required rebuttal in the specific case of an Attorney receiving instruction.

Re: Kim Dotcom: Joe Biden Ordered the Megaupload Shutdown

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Post by [deleted] »

cjensen wrote: post #51
[deleted] wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I apologize for my abrasiveness. I meant only to disagree. Much of your reasoning was excellent and though I did not acknowledge it, I especially agree with the point that many in the executive branch would feel that an instruction from the VP is to be obeyed. I felt that this point was so strong, that it required rebuttal in the specific case of an Attorney receiving instruction.

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Re: Kim Dotcom: Joe Biden Ordered the Megaupload Shutdown

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Post by sown »

cjensen wrote: post #51
[deleted] wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I apologize for my abrasiveness. I meant only to disagree. Much of your reasoning was excellent and though I did not acknowledge it, I especially agree with the point that many in the executive branch would feel that an instruction from the VP is to be obeyed. I felt that this point was so strong, that it required rebuttal in the specific case of an Attorney receiving instruction.

Heh. np. i realized i sounded harsh so i deleted it.

Re: Kim Dotcom: Joe Biden Ordered the Megaupload Shutdown

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Post by sage_joch »

I just cross-posted this to a subreddit I started recently, /r/Orwellian. It's still small at 76 readers, but I figured there might be interest here. I'm hoping for it to be a non-partisan place to share/discuss the myriad of government abuses coming to light.

Re: Kim Dotcom: Joe Biden Ordered the Megaupload Shutdown

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Post by ArcticCelt »

patdennis wrote: post #21
swombat wrote: post #15

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I'm sure the MPAA members are generously contributing to the Obama/Biden re-election funds.

I don't understand why you're sure of that, considering how pissed MPAA members are with the Obama administration over SOPA. But I guess deciding something is true is easier than Googling it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/19/obama-sopa-chris-do...

In that perspective the Megaupload shutdown seems like a pretty good way to make amends right after the SOPA fiasco.

Re: Kim Dotcom: Joe Biden Ordered the Megaupload Shutdown

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Post by patdennis »

NoPiece wrote: post #49
patdennis wrote: post #21

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I don't understand why you're sure of that, considering how pissed MPAA members are with the Obama administration over SOPA. But I guess deciding something is true is easier than Googling it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/19/obama-sopa-chris-do...

I googled it, and come up with a much more recent story about Obama raising a record $15 million at a Hollywood fundraiser. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/obama-george-clooney-f... So while the MPAA may have been posturing about being angry, the reality is they are going to continue to flood money into the Obama/Biden campaign.

There's a big difference between the Hollywood liberal crowd, who have always been hardcore Obama fans, and the lobbying wing of the MPAA. They are not the same community.

Re: Kim Dotcom: Joe Biden Ordered the Megaupload Shutdown

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Post by NoPiece »

patdennis wrote: post #56
NoPiece wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I googled it, and come up with a much more recent story about Obama raising a record $15 million at a Hollywood fundraiser. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/obama-george-clooney-f... So while the MPAA may have been posturing about being angry, the reality is they are going to continue to flood money into the Obama/Biden campaign.

There's a big difference between the Hollywood liberal crowd, who have always been hardcore Obama fans, and the lobbying wing of the MPAA. They are not the same community.

How are they not the same community? The MPAA is Walt Disney, Paramount, Sony, Fox, Universal, and Warner Bros. The people at these Hollywood fundraisers work for and with Walt Disney, Paramount, Sony, Fox, Universal, and Warner Bros.

When the MPAA threatens to cut off funds, the implication isn't just that whatever amount the MPAA has to throw around will go away, it is that the big dollars from the 6 member studios and the super rich executive and celebrity donors will go away. But you still see that money flowing. Just one example, also from Hollywood Reporter, "Jamie and Michael Lynton - He’s CEO of Sony, and she’s a veteran Democratic activist. The two are raising $500,000-plus for Obama this season. Michael has had almost a dozen meetings at the White House, some regarding anti-piracy."

Re: Kim Dotcom: Joe Biden Ordered the Megaupload Shutdown

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Post by WiseWeasel »

sage_joch wrote: post #54

I just cross-posted this to a subreddit I started recently, /r/Orwellian. It's still small at 76 readers, but I figured there might be interest here. I'm hoping for it to be a non-partisan place to share/discuss the myriad of government abuses coming to light.

Can't say I'm a big fan of the name "Orwellian" for that category. I know the term commonly refers to the premise of Orwell's 1984 novel for which he's most known, but he wrote important pieces on other subjects, such as communism, which adds baggage to the term. Maybe referring to the novel 1984 more directly, such as /r/1984 or /r/bigbrother would be an improvement. Otherwise, I'd probably go for something a little less tinfoil-hat since there's already a /r/conspiracy with lots of followers.

Slashdot has "Your Rights Online". Ars has "Law and Disorder". Looking up a few keywords, I notice that there's also /r/SOPA, /r/rights, /r/yro, /r/privacy, /r/freedom, /r/internetfreedom, /r/civilliberties, /r/civlib and others. Maybe some consolidation is in order.

Re: Kim Dotcom: Joe Biden Ordered the Megaupload Shutdown

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Post by Ahmes »

These "gift" investigations and the game theory behind them are somewhat troubling.

Most medium to large sized technology companies that get big enough to attract parasites will gladly cooperate with an investigating authority (such as the FBI) and turn over user activity records without much of a stink in exchange for a future favor down the road rather than hold their ground and demand warrants, subpoenas and the rest of the 9 yards.

If you promise to aid the FBI into perpetuity, they will on occasion nail some malicious user that's giving you a hard time - like that 16 year old from Des Moines who is submitting stolen credit cards (that were found on twitter via @NeedADebitCard, naturally) to pay for your merchandise and giving you a headache in chargeback fees.

It's a cool superpower but it's probably not doing much to address the root of your problems.

Worse, it quickly turns the FBI into a sort of protection racket for the Fortune 5000.

Re: Kim Dotcom: Joe Biden Ordered the Megaupload Shutdown

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Post by ascendant »

NoPiece wrote: post #57
patdennis wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a big difference between the Hollywood liberal crowd, who have always been hardcore Obama fans, and the lobbying wing of the MPAA. They are not the same community.

How are they not the same community? The MPAA is Walt Disney, Paramount, Sony, Fox, Universal, and Warner Bros. The people at these Hollywood fundraisers work for and with Walt Disney, Paramount, Sony, Fox, Universal, and Warner Bros. When the MPAA threatens to cut off funds, the implication isn't just that whatever amount the MPAA has to throw around will go away, it is that the big dollars from the 6 member studios…

Because the MPAA and RIAA represent the owners and executives of the movie and record companies. "Hollywood" is also comprised of moneyed actors, musicians and artists that generally tend to lean to the left politically. There is definitely a difference between the two "camps"
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