Kim Dotcom: Joe Biden Ordered the Megaupload Shutdown

Post by heretohelp » Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 10:49 PM UTC

reitzensteinm wrote: post #39

shin_lao wrote: post #4

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It's not corruption if he didn't personally benefited from it. The problem is that if your only source of information is biased, you take the wrong decisions.

I'd say reelection to the second most powerful office in the country is a pretty compelling personal benefit. The fine line usually placed in the US between corruption and politics as normal is that of the quid pro quo; it's fine to take money from people who happen to share your beliefs, but if you change your votes because of that money, it's corruption. Politicans have always hidden behind the plausible deniabilit…

Post by unimpressive » Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 11:00 PM UTC

cjensen wrote: post #35

mattmanser wrote: post #29

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While I'm all for decrying corrupt business practices there are far more worthwhile targets out there like Goldman Sachs but they've bought political immunity and worse still this case clearly shows the ugly side of insidious corruption in American politics regardless of your views on Kim Dotcom. His worse crime seems to have been not paying off the politicians. And cheering that on from the sidelines seems an odd ch…

Somewhere, the MPAA is watching people who want to liberalize copyright law. Watching them tarnish the reputation of the entire liberalization movement by publicly cheering on an sleazy businessman whose picture and life history are repugnant to those who are uninformed on this issue. The MPAA could not have picked a better person to play the villain if they tried. They are very, very pleased with this outcome.

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 11:10 PM UTC

cjensen wrote: post #38

sown wrote: post #31

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> The Vice-President simply has no power to order anything more complex than pizza. He can suggest, plead, and implore, but someone else has to actually take the responsibility for the action and order something to occur. Although officially the office only has a couple of duties, a modern US VP has a bunch of roles and powers that are not outside of the law but not spelled out. Really, modern US VPs are kinda like c…

> So, when Biden talks, is that Obama talking? Maybe. Your reasoning fails here. An ATTORNEY does not just guess at who is ordering him to do something. An Attorney only obey an order from the VP if someone he reports to ordered him to, in which case the person who ordered him owns the responsibility for the action. And since the action is hardly a secret, that person knows and owns the action.

Post by cabalamat » Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 11:13 PM UTC

shin_lao wrote: post #4

mtgx wrote: post #2

MPAA "lobbying" the VP of US, and then the VP ordering the shutdown of a company from another country on behalf of MPAA (illegally it seems, from recent news). I think this would be called "corruption" in any other country but US.

It's not corruption if he didn't personally benefited from it. The problem is that if your only source of information is biased, you take the wrong decisions.

Post by spoiledtechie » Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 11:14 PM UTC

mtgx wrote: post #2

MPAA "lobbying" the VP of US, and then the VP ordering the shutdown of a company from another country on behalf of MPAA (illegally it seems, from recent news). I think this would be called "corruption" in any other country but US.