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Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by manuel_w »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #243
pcdoodle wrote: post #235

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Merica.

Not just Merica. People prioritize flashing their status via a large, expensive impractical cars than the greater good everywhere. Large American SUVs are flying off the shelves in Europe.

> Large American SUVs are flying off the shelves in Europe.

Not in the part of Europe I'm in. I can't recall the last time I've seen an American car here in the streets of Vienna. Also: Don't large American SUVs consume a lot of petrol? Considering the gas prices I'd assume not many people can/want to afford them.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by throwaway81523 »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #40

The weird thing I’ve seen is in almost all the online forums I visit, like Reddit, YouTube comment sections, parts of twitter, hacker news, the cybertruck is universally panned. Yet when I drove a cybertruck, the number of onlookers who approached me inquiring about the car with excitement is unmatched with even a Lamborghini that I once rented. Shows how much of a bubble the internet alone is. MKBHD got the ratio’s…

I can understand being curious about it since it is one of the most unusual looking vehicles. But, I mean, I saw one on Main Street recently and it was ugly as heck. I'd be curious about it too, without ever having any wish to buy one.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by seanp2k2 »

mbrumlow wrote: post #283
moooo99 wrote: post #186

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It’s not strictly about height, that is only one of the factors. Modern cars usually have pedestrian safety systems that the cybertruck does not have by design.

I keep seeing people say this. What are these? Have you seen a hummer or a ford F2 or f350? What about a Lexus LS or GX? Cadillac Escalade or Lincoln Navigator? What about a Camry other than its size specifically is for pedestrians when hit? Then we have the smart car. A small bubble designed to not crush. Fairly sure if that thing hits somebody they are not going to be “gee I am glad that the car makers made this ca…

The further reading section of the Wikipedia page has some decent info: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedestrian_safety_through_ve...

TL;DR it’s about being low enough to not smack people of different heights in the head and cause massive acceleration of their brains against their skulls. Same with internal organs, and for legs it’s more about having some of that energy transferred into rotational energy, then having a soft-enough bumper and hood to again minimize acceleration forces and energy transfer.

There are also airbag-based solutions where it either inflates under the hood to give some cushion for the hit person to decelerate more gradually before stopping against something less forgiving, or kinda like a giant couch / Wacky Races cartoon catcher’s mitt inflating on the hood and front of the vehicle before they’re actually hit.

The pushback is, of course, mostly cost-based.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2007/12/the-truth-about-eu...

https://americawalks.org/vehicle-safety-for-pedestrians/

I just wish that the US would stop allowing people to build and operate killdozer pickups with bumpers well above where other vehicle bumpers are. When those crash into other vehicles, the other vehicle ends up with a differential, tires, and probably skid plates smacking into their vehicle, which it’s not designed to handle. Combined with how larger tires require more braking power to slow at the same rate, plus modified suspension geometry, higher CG, increased weight, and decreased driver intelligence, it makes for a much more dangerous vehicle for others to be around. Why do we continue to allow this, just like all the obnoxious modified exhausts and ECU tunes that massively increase the pollution being put out by one vehicle so they can feed their egos and intimidate other road users?

Higher bumpers are also a lot less safe for pedestrians, obviously: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15949454/

Stuff like this has no legitimate purpose off-road and no business being operated on public highways: https://www.tiktok.com/@leanqueen6.7 but it’s become some idiotic macho culture thing.

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Post by nixosbestos »

mfkp wrote: post #158
mattkenefick wrote: post #137

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> we need more mainstream vehicles challenging the boring design "norms" I'd argue that we need to start treating cars like the utilitarian objects they are and stop associating our personalities with them.

We need to start treating PCs like the utilitarian objects they are and bring back beige cases.

Are people getting in the tanks, I mean PCs, and driving them around on public roads, literally unable to see what's right in front of them?

Freeze peach to drive my unsafe taaaank. Americuuuuh.

I really wonder if people are unaware of how absurd, stupid, and unsafe many American vehicles are, or if it really is just down to selfishne-, er, I mean individuality.

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Post by wg0 »

moooo99 wrote: post #192
wg0 wrote: post #172

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Those are outliers. It's like saying there are people who live upto 106 years easily. These batteries are subject to extreme temperatures routinely including fast charge/discharge cycles and we simply can't escape the physics with our wishful thinking alone.

We can’t escape physics, but we can address physics. Car batteries are usually temperature controlled, they are cooled when fast charging etc. Especially with modern battery tech, you should easily get 200,000km out of the battery before it drops to below 80% of its original capacity

How are they exactly temperature controlled? To control temperature, we would need to circulate something around the cells and that something has to be heated or cooled whereas every tear down I have ever seen of EV batteries contains nothing as such.

Not to mention that such heating/cooling would additionally draw energy thus taking a toll on both the range and battery life.

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Post by toast0 »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #97
lm28469 wrote: post #85

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Yeah because street folks impressed by a hunk of steel and thinking it cost a million dollars aren't in a bubble aha There are a lot of terrible cars that impress non car people

The DeLorean DMC-12 is the car guy version of "never meet your heroes." So fucking cool, absolutely iconic design, and genuinely one of the worst cars ever manufactured. Criminally under-powered, no power steering, the only part of the window that would open was the part inside the plastic frame of it, issues with overheating, 0-60 in about 2 years, and the transmission was an utterly garbage Lotus one that was chose…

I've not driven a DMC-12, but lack of power steering doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me? All the vehicles I've driven without power steering have been ok; usually the steering wheel is much larger to give you the leverage you need; it's not as bad as you'd think if you've used a car with inoperative power steering.

But yeah, I had a nice conversation with a guy who kitted his out as a movie replica at a outdoor showing of the film. He said it was fun to go to events, but it's terrible as a car. And some of the parts are unobtanium, like the flux capacitor. Not that that's unique for cars in that era, try finding a federal EGR filter for an early Vanagon; just gotta hack around it.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by m463 »

CrimsonRain wrote: post #197
m463 wrote: post #70

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I think the truck is like dating an exciting but shallow person who doesn't care about you. The truck is extremely fast, with excellent steering, suspension and lots of other groundbreaking technology. But it is basically user-hostile. No dashboard, no stalks for turn signals or gear selection, and everything is on the central touchscreen. And that is super cluttered and impossible to do important things without look…

No dashboard, no stalks, no extra buttons are needed. The voice control works just fine.

"siri, extend the door handles so the person can enter the car!"

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by toast0 »

specialist wrote: post #237
RollAHardSix wrote: post #57

My girlfriend owns one so to share our experience, the cybertruck is an unreliable POS. She's had it three, four months now & we have had it in the shop for suspension repair, an ECU computer which fried itself at a charging station (2k), a coolant leak part replacement from the cyberbeast rear engine (1400), the passenger window falling inside the door after the wire used in the gear window retraction snapped or tan…

If your state has "lemon laws", maybe you can get some help. https://www.atg.wa.gov/general-lemon-law TLDR: recourse when mfg sells a defective, unsafe, or both, vehicle. Not that this helps you... IMHO, current CyberTruck is in the alpha testing phase. It has multiple disruptive innovations. Tesla wisely chose the relatively low volume CyberTruck to mitigate risk. I'm concerned (but not surprised) Tesla is aggressiv…

I would definitely suggest at least getting a consult from a lemon law lawyer if it's been in the shop this much. Especially if you also have buyer's remorse.

See what needs to happen to qualify, document what's already happened, and get an idea of the process and recent interactions between your lawyer and the specific manufacturer.

I had a probable lemon on a new model that I didn't do that for because we liked it despite its faults, and some of the early problems reasserted themselves before (after warranty) engine problems led me to get rid of it. I regret not pursuing a lemon law return and replacing it with a later in production model. Might have still ran into early engine troubles, but they probably figured out how to apply paint in the meantime.

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Post by Macacity »

joenot443 wrote: post #242
SapporoChris wrote: post #182

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Thank you for the relevant snippet. Here's how Tesla(not just cybertruck) compares globally. https://www.statista.com/statistics/541390/global-sales-of-p... "BYD was ranked as the best-selling electric vehicle manufacturer worldwide after selling over three million units in 2023 after overtaking Tesla as the best-selling electric vehicle manufacturer in the previous year. BYD's sales volume translates into a market s…

Are we supposed to be able to access that graph? I'm getting a "Sign up for Statistia" prompt.

This is the source the data is from: https://insideevs.com/news/707935/world-top-ev-oem-sales-202...

Plug-in car registrations in Q1-Q4 2023 (vs. previous year):

    BYD Group: 3,012,070 and 22% share (vs. 18.4%)
    Tesla: 1,808,652 and 13.2% share (vs. 13.0%)
    Volkswagen Group: 994,403 and 7.3% share (vs. 8.2%)
    Geely-Volvo: 925,111 and 6.8% share (vs. 6.0%)
    SAIC (incl. SAIC-GM-Wuling): 791,521 and 5.8% share (vs. 7.2%)
Top 5 total: 7,531,757 and 55% share Others: 6,157,534 and 45% share Total: 13,689,291

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

toast0 wrote: post #296
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DeLorean DMC-12 is the car guy version of "never meet your heroes." So fucking cool, absolutely iconic design, and genuinely one of the worst cars ever manufactured. Criminally under-powered, no power steering, the only part of the window that would open was the part inside the plastic frame of it, issues with overheating, 0-60 in about 2 years, and the transmission was an utterly garbage Lotus one that was chose…

I've not driven a DMC-12, but lack of power steering doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me? All the vehicles I've driven without power steering have been ok; usually the steering wheel is much larger to give you the leverage you need; it's not as bad as you'd think if you've used a car with inoperative power steering. But yeah, I had a nice conversation with a guy who kitted his out as a movie replica at a outdo…

The only car I've driven without power steering was my grandma's 1996 Fleetwood, and I recall turning that absolute aircraft carrier felt like I was trying to close a door on the Red October. Maybe others feel better, I'm honestly not sure.
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