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Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by potato3732842 »

serf wrote: post #117
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #112

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Unibody car is misleading because the materials are very different. I don’t think it is comparable to either a body on frame construction or the type of unibody a typical sedan or crossover has.

similar things were said about the Honda Ridgeline and the Chevrolet Avalanche; they ended up having the same long-tern issues that they were predicted to have; torn mounting points and reduced repair-ability when the inevitable occurs.

>similar things were said about the Honda Ridgeline and the Chevrolet Avalanche; they ended up having the same long-tern issues that they were predicted to have; torn mounting points and reduced repair-ability when the inevitable occurs.

The fact that you think the Chevy Avalanche[1] has unibody problems says everything I need to know about your opinion

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with unibody construction for a vehicle like this some work vans have been that way basically forever (though it makes me want to go postal when the OEMs graft a really shitty frame onto the back of a unibody van and call it a "cab and chassis").

[1]https://www.gmwholesaledirect.com/v-2009-chevrolet-avalanche...

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by aeonik »

FireBeyond wrote: post #102
aeonik wrote: post #88

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Are you talking about the debunking videos that highlight that the Cybertruck only beat the Porsche in the 1/8 mile and not the whole quarter mile? And that Cybertruck is still basically a 10 second truck? It's honestly a absurd and funny to me how fast the truck is. It's like seeing an elephant fly. It's even funnier to see people get angry at it. I definitely don't like marketing and ads, but that's literally how a…

> Are you talking about the debunking videos that highlight that the Cybertruck only beat the Porsche in the 1/8 mile No, I'm talking about the debunking videos and articles that show: "We ran six quarter-mile drag races, and each one had the same outcome: The Porsche 911 Carrera T wins and the Tesla Cybertruck Beast loses... it’s not a particularly close race, either." Re the 1/8: "We can say confidently that Tesla…

I appreciate your research.

I stand by everything I said, but I will add your research to my own repoitoire.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by theonething »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #56
sashank_1509 wrote: post #40

The weird thing I’ve seen is in almost all the online forums I visit, like Reddit, YouTube comment sections, parts of twitter, hacker news, the cybertruck is universally panned. Yet when I drove a cybertruck, the number of onlookers who approached me inquiring about the car with excitement is unmatched with even a Lamborghini that I once rented. Shows how much of a bubble the internet alone is. MKBHD got the ratio’s…

I actually saw one in person for the first time a couple days ago. I had a great laugh at the owner's expense. He could better serve his desperate need for attention at a fraction of the price by hosting a block party or driving a 70s F150 or similar (aka an actual truck). Unlike many folks who think these things are trash I'm delighted they're on the market. Characterless voids trying to trowel over their emptiness…

quite hinged, your comment.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by 39896880 »

bsder wrote: post #114
39896880 wrote: post #90

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The Bolt EUV is the perfect EV, and it’s a travesty that they stopped selling it. Hopefully the talk of them bringing it back is true.

WTF is going on with the Chevy EVs? They dropped the Volt which you can only pry out of owners cold, dead hands. They dropped the Bolt EUV which seems to be similarly adored. What dumbass metric is causing these stupid decisions?

Their CEO seems to be reacting to a perception that Chevy is “behind” and trying to get ahead of the market on EVs. If they were smart they’d still be making the Volt, since it’s an extremely reasonable PHEV that many people with garages in the US would appreciate. It would increase the number of electric miles driven.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by kcb »

qwerpy wrote: post #110
forgetfreeman wrote: post #56

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I actually saw one in person for the first time a couple days ago. I had a great laugh at the owner's expense. He could better serve his desperate need for attention at a fraction of the price by hosting a block party or driving a 70s F150 or similar (aka an actual truck). Unlike many folks who think these things are trash I'm delighted they're on the market. Characterless voids trying to trowel over their emptiness…

CT driver here. I didn't even get one for the attention. I thought it was cool-looking, useful, and could make for a good family car. I was right! I'm an introvert so the constant attention (almost all positive, even in the Seattle area, surprisingly) was definitely an adjustment for me. Trust me, I'd be perfectly fine without the constant attention but people just keep giving it! Now I actually kind of enjoy it. My…

But that can't really be true, according to HN your car is your whole identity or something like that. Totally "hinged" take for sure.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by olyjohn »

potato3732842 wrote: post #130
asadotzler wrote: post #87

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It's not a truck though. It's a unibody car with a bed and big wheels. Trucks are body on frame and can do real work without the back falling off.

Is the Honda Ridgeline not a truck? Ford Maverick? The cybertruck is simply the biggest thing in that segment.

Kind of. They're what I would call a ute. They're still car based vehicles with beds. But that doesn't mean they can't do 90% of what the average person uses a truck for. They just aren't as stout as a body on frame truck and won't take as much abuse. But use them for their intended purpose and they'll do just fine.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by mattkenefick »

shreezus wrote: post #32

I see multiple Cybertrucks every day driving around LA. I'll admit the design has grown on me, and we need more mainstream vehicles challenging the boring design "norms". I would love to see a cross between the Model Y and Cybertruck in the future.

> we need more mainstream vehicles challenging the boring design "norms"

I'd argue that we need to start treating cars like the utilitarian objects they are and stop associating our personalities with them.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by potato3732842 »

olyjohn wrote: post #136
potato3732842 wrote: post #130

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Is the Honda Ridgeline not a truck? Ford Maverick? The cybertruck is simply the biggest thing in that segment.

Kind of. They're what I would call a ute. They're still car based vehicles with beds. But that doesn't mean they can't do 90% of what the average person uses a truck for. They just aren't as stout as a body on frame truck and won't take as much abuse. But use them for their intended purpose and they'll do just fine.

Fine then, Jeep Comanche. It's on a purpose built truck/suv platform.

The point here is that you're using generalities that are wayyyy too broad.

There's no reason a body on frame vehicle can't be stout. See every unibody fullsize van for example.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by jordanb »

Spooky23 wrote: post #80
sashank_1509 wrote: post #40

The weird thing I’ve seen is in almost all the online forums I visit, like Reddit, YouTube comment sections, parts of twitter, hacker news, the cybertruck is universally panned. Yet when I drove a cybertruck, the number of onlookers who approached me inquiring about the car with excitement is unmatched with even a Lamborghini that I once rented. Shows how much of a bubble the internet alone is. MKBHD got the ratio’s…

Idk. I’d imagine it has more to do with the preorders and how they can stuff shipments. I got to drive one… it’s an objectively terrible car. I would imagine that as the look gets let’s novel that attention will wane quickly. When they get the inevitable prominent pedestrian collision on video, it has Pinto potential. It’s weird because the last “new” Tesla was the Model Y I think, and that is an incredibly well thou…

That's my thought too. Cybertruck had an enormous number of preorders and apparently lots of them are backing out rather than taking delivery, but those that do take delivery still mean that Tesla can deliver cybertrucks as fast as they can produce them until the backlog is gone.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by potato3732842 »

quickthrowman wrote: post #118
ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #50

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How is buying a company vehicle a "tax loophole"?

The business spends pretax dollars to pay the car payments instead of post tax W2 income or dividends/other cash disbursements that are taxed and then you can depreciate the company car against future income.

So? Businesses spend pre-tax dollars on most things they buy.

Most companies literally don't have the margins to be solvent if all their purchasing activity is subject to 20%+ tax.

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