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Re: On Linux MAINTAINERS file removal of Russian developers

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Post by krisoft »

mardifoufs wrote: post #68
krisoft wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This could happen with any country and any group of people. And that is why it is a good idea to keep people who want to start a war of conquest out of power. So it doesn’t happen to your country and your people. > Who will be next? Whoever decides to murder their neighbhours.

Ah yes, I'm waiting for the kernel to remove Israeli contributors any day now. Any contributor with an .il email is literally killing Lebanese children according your logic.

> Any contributor with an .il email is literally killing Lebanese children according your logic.

I did not claimed that any kernel contributor is killing anyone. AndyMcConachie’s comment claimed that “This could happen with any country and any group of people.” As if the country in question was doing nothing and then suddenly bamm they were hit with sanctions. If you don’t see how ridiculous that is then there is nothing we can talk about.

Re: On Linux MAINTAINERS file removal of Russian developers

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Post by mardifoufs »

krisoft wrote: post #71
mardifoufs wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, I'm waiting for the kernel to remove Israeli contributors any day now. Any contributor with an .il email is literally killing Lebanese children according your logic.

> Any contributor with an .il email is literally killing Lebanese children according your logic. I did not claimed that any kernel contributor is killing anyone. AndyMcConachie’s comment claimed that “This could happen with any country and any group of people.” As if the country in question was doing nothing and then suddenly bamm they were hit with sanctions. If you don’t see how ridiculous that is then there is not…

I mean it literally could. Do you think that sanctions are only applied to countries that start wars? China is also under sanctions in some form or another from the US.

I guess the point could've been more precise; that anyone anywhere that isn't aligned with US foreign policy could be hit with a similar ban. I agree that it rules out most of the western hemisphere, but there's a world outside of that

Re: On Linux MAINTAINERS file removal of Russian developers

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Post by joric »

perihelions wrote: post #22
JSDevOps wrote: post #8

What I don’t understand is there must be tonnes more Russian maintainers and contributors to this? What’s the score there?

That's because the sanctioned entities are individual Russian companies on the OFAC list, not Russian citizens generally. All of the initial media reporting (speculation, really) turned out to be wrong (because of deliberate non-transparency on the part of Torvalds, in his public statements). https://lwn.net/ml/all/7ee74c1b5b589619a13c6318c9fbd0d6ac7c3... - "We finally got clearance to publish the actual advice: If y…

I am pretty sure they just grep'd mail.ru, added a couple of other sus entries and pushed the commit. It's painfully obvious if you take a look at the file https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/MAINTAINERS, there are no mail.ru addresses left (it's a public email service akin to gmail). The next day someone woke up Linus and told him to answer the public and he came up with the usual FU. That's basically all.

Re: On Linux MAINTAINERS file removal of Russian developers

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Post by lostmsu »

mardifoufs wrote: post #67
chikere232 wrote: post #16

At this point I kinda have to assume posts like these are just concern trolling and aren't really worth taking seriously If it's genuinely naive, this is a great time to wake up to the fact that russia is conducting a war of conquest against a european country, and this is why they, and a bunch of companies associated with that, are being sanctioned. Why would any reasonable project try to circumvent such sanctions?

It's amazing that your comment talks about concern trolling while at the same time says: "it's time to wake up to the fact that russia is conducting a war of conquest.." Yes, everyone knows that. The issue is how you could assert guilt by mere ownership of a passport. No sanction that I'm aware forbids any Russian national (even if say, living in Europe) from working on something. The cringy way Linus got the message…

Passport is insufficient to get sanctioned (including this case).

Re: On Linux MAINTAINERS file removal of Russian developers

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Post by tharmas »

mdp2021 wrote: post #65
tharmas wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please see Prof John Mearsheimer regarding Ukraine.

What, of JM.? He has published much - some of quality and some weak. None of what I read of him seems relevant.

CONFIDENTIAL: WikiLeaks Document PROVES U.S. Knew NATO Expansion Would Cause Russia/Ukraine War: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html

https://libertarianinstitute.org/dont-tread-on-anyone/nyet-n...

The USA provoked a War with Russia via Ukraine. The USA sees it in their strategic interests to "Knock down" Russia's "strength" back to what it was in the 1990s i.e. on their knees. Provoking a War via a proxy such as Ukraine was seen as the best way to do this. Mearsheimer argues that Russia is not an existential threat to American Hegemony so therefore expanding NATO into Ukraine to provoke a War is an unnecessary goal. He sees China as the real existential threat.

The USA is not 'defending" Ukraine because it cares about Ukraine. The situation in Gaza proves that the USA does not "care" about people at all, only what it sees as its strategic interests. The USA is using Israel as a proxy against Iran and Iranian backed "terrorists". The USA regards Israel as having similar strategic interests. And it can use Israel to do the "dirty work" while pretending that they "care" about human rites.

Re: On Linux MAINTAINERS file removal of Russian developers

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Post by tharmas »

mdp2021 wrote: post #65
tharmas wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please see Prof John Mearsheimer regarding Ukraine.

What, of JM.? He has published much - some of quality and some weak. None of what I read of him seems relevant.

Even in Obama's own book he states the reasons for Putin's motives regarding Ukraine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLqECnjJ7eU

Re: On Linux MAINTAINERS file removal of Russian developers

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Post by mdp2021 »

tharmas wrote: post #76
mdp2021 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What, of JM.? He has published much - some of quality and some weak. None of what I read of him seems relevant.

Even in Obama's own book he states the reasons for Putin's motives regarding Ukraine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLqECnjJ7eU

The matter was, "why is that relevant".

Re: On Linux MAINTAINERS file removal of Russian developers

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Post by gizmondo »

chx wrote: post #35

Apparently people working on open source are just looking for an excuse to pontificate. Same as with Bitwarden, simply raising the issue and then waiting a little for an answer is enough. https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/e7d548a7fc835f9f3c9cb2e5ed97dfd... > If your company is on the U.S. OFAC SDN lists, subject to an OFAC sanctions program, or owned/controlled by a company on the list, our ability to collaborate with you…

Try looking for NetUP in the sanction list, whose employees (including a former one who's actually working for Amazon) were removed. You won't find it. I'm surprised nobody called out James Bottomley on this bullshit answer.

Re: On Linux MAINTAINERS file removal of Russian developers

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Post by aguaviva »

tharmas wrote: post #76
mdp2021 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What, of JM.? He has published much - some of quality and some weak. None of what I read of him seems relevant.

Even in Obama's own book he states the reasons for Putin's motives regarding Ukraine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLqECnjJ7eU

He describes what Putin claims are his motives.

That doesn't mean he believes those really were his actual motives, or that you should believe that.

Though it should have been obvious enough, this point was entirely missed by the guys yapping in the video.

Re: On Linux MAINTAINERS file removal of Russian developers

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Post by tharmas »

mdp2021 wrote: post #77
tharmas wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even in Obama's own book he states the reasons for Putin's motives regarding Ukraine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLqECnjJ7eU

The matter was, "why is that relevant".

The original comment doesn't show up so I'm not able to reread it but the relevancy of my bringing up Mearsheimer was purely in response to the mentioning of Russia invading a sovereign country, namely Ukraine, not to the Russian developers being removed by the Linux maintainers.
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