Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Google Service Drops Support for Opera

planetbotch.blogspot.no

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

31–40 of 105 posts

Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

#31

Post by Xcelerate »

ta12121 wrote: post #13
Xcelerate wrote: post #5

This whole "supporting browsers" thing should be gone, and very soon. There are specifications that browser makers should follow, and if they are all supporting those specifications, then they well be well-supported. The only differentiator between page rendering among browsers should really be speed. (I believe Opera is actually one of the browsers that adheres most closely to the specs.)

LOL Opera is the browser that adheres to the specifications most closely, and yet it is the least usable. Why? Because web developers don't test with it. Specs are irrelevant. Testing is relevant, and testing is caused by marketshare.

You are saying "is". I am saying "should".

Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

#32

Post by recoiledsnake »

When I do web development, I test in Opera at the very end after I have fixed all issues in IE, Firefox, Chrome and Safari and guess what?

I never had to make one tweak for Opera. Ever. Opera has almost a religious focus on coding to standards. While I bet there are specific issues with implementation, whatever happened to the concept of coding to the standard and let browsers do their work?

Do Blogger features really need HTML5 WebGL 2.0 or something? I can understand some layout issues and willing to excuse them, but to not support them functionality wise is really sad, especially when you're the biggest web property on the internet. This is a throwback to the days of "Best works in IE(TM)".

To add insult to injury, I sometimes get messages like "Need a faster browser, Get Chrome" on Gmail.

Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

#33

Post by [deleted] »

simonw wrote: post #20
sp332 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A user base of 300,000,000 means they can't have less than 4.2% market share, even if the whole population of the earth were online.

I'm pretty sure that number includes opera mini / opera mobile users. I don't know what the numbers for opera desktop are but I'm certain they're a fraction of opera's mobile offerings.

[deleted]

Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

#34

Post by jfaucett »

bulibuta wrote: post #28

I see a lot of posts here make fun of opera. Just a gentle reminder: they are the ones that invented tabs among other things.

your comment got me curious. It looks like opera was not the one "that invented tabs" after all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tab_(GUI)

Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

#35

Post by mbrubeck »

simonw wrote: post #20
sp332 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A user base of 300,000,000 means they can't have less than 4.2% market share, even if the whole population of the earth were online.

I'm pretty sure that number includes opera mini / opera mobile users. I don't know what the numbers for opera desktop are but I'm certain they're a fraction of opera's mobile offerings.

Yup. According to Statcounter data from last month, Opera accounts for about 2% of desktop page views and 21% of mobile page views worldwide.

Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

#36

Post by azakai »

manojlds wrote: post #11
mtgx wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't Google give up on IE6 for some of their services when it had less than 20% market share? Opera has 1-2% market share. Granted, it should be a lot easier to tweak their code for Opera, but the difference in market share is pretty big, too.

Even MS wanted IE6 dead. In this case, it is all about Google trying to force a very good browser that has brought in great ideas and features, in addition to the performance and standards compliance, out of the market.

> Even MS wanted IE6 dead.

Exactly. So not supporting Opera like this sends the message that Google wants Opera dead.

Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

#38

Post by recoiledsnake »

mbrubeck wrote: post #35
simonw wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure that number includes opera mini / opera mobile users. I don't know what the numbers for opera desktop are but I'm certain they're a fraction of opera's mobile offerings.

Yup. According to Statcounter data from last month, Opera accounts for about 2% of desktop page views and 21% of mobile page views worldwide.

It's still a significant number overall and has large shares in some countries. From the Wiki:

As of December 2011 Opera has a 1.3% to 2.6% worldwide usage share of web browsers.[111]

The browser has been more successful in Eastern Europe, including about 47% market share in 2009 in Georgia, 43% in Ukraine, 39% in Kazakhstan, 36% in Russia, and 8–11% in Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, and the Czech Republic.[112]

In July 2011, Opera broke its previous download records when Opera 11.50 was released and was recorded to be downloaded 35 million times during the first week of release

Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

#39

Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

recoiledsnake wrote: post #32

When I do web development, I test in Opera at the very end after I have fixed all issues in IE, Firefox, Chrome and Safari and guess what? I never had to make one tweak for Opera. Ever. Opera has almost a religious focus on coding to standards. While I bet there are specific issues with implementation, whatever happened to the concept of coding to the standard and let browsers do their work? Do Blogger features reall…

Hmm. Opera didn't support CSS 3D Transforms last time I checked. Maybe that's changed, but it's disappointing nonetheless.

Re: Google Service Drops Support for Opera

#40

Post by Dylan16807 »

jfaucett wrote: post #34
bulibuta wrote: post #28

I see a lot of posts here make fun of opera. Just a gentle reminder: they are the ones that invented tabs among other things.

your comment got me curious. It looks like opera was not the one "that invented tabs" after all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tab_(GUI)

Browser tabs.
Post reply on HN