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Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Yep!

and will a bunch of hostile feminists be able to place derogatory "labels" on my self hosted account or put me on nasty and rudely named lists branding me a right winger or a transmysoginist or whatever like they currently do on bluesky?

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Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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So let's review. pxoe: points out Mastodon has an algorithm cuu507: says the news feed is chronological me: reasonably inferring this means cuu507 isn't aware this is also an algorithim, I point out that it is, and that chronological feeds are also not without detractors with good arguments. j_maffe: jumps up my ass from out of nowhere for some reason. I replied assuming they were the person I replied to (cuu507) sin…

Everyone here knows sort of any kind is an algorithm. And everyone knows when we speak of social media algorithms, we refer to the selective boosting or removal of content. It is not helpful or necessary to point any of this out.

If the person I actually replied to found it unhelpful they can of course say something and we can have a nice, civil conversation about it where we both learn something.

There really isn't a polite way to say this, but it needs to be said: no one asked you. Or j_maffe. Neither of you accomplished anything by butting into a sub-sub-thread that didn't involve you and didn't need your antagonism and ill-tempered presumptions about my intent.

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Everyone here knows sort of any kind is an algorithm. And everyone knows when we speak of social media algorithms, we refer to the selective boosting or removal of content. It is not helpful or necessary to point any of this out.

If the person I actually replied to found it unhelpful they can of course say something and we can have a nice, civil conversation about it where we both learn something. There really isn't a polite way to say this, but it needs to be said: no one asked you. Or j_maffe. Neither of you accomplished anything by butting into a sub-sub-thread that didn't involve you and didn't need your antagonism and ill-tempered presum…

j_maffe here. Sorry if you found this insulting in any way. I wasn't referencing you in particular as several other comments pointed to the very obvious fact that chronological sorting is an algorithm so I was referring to this overarching theme.

However, the entire point of a forum is for users to "butt-in" on threads. If you didn't find the reply contributing anything meaningful, you're very much free to not reply. And if you don't like random people replying to your comments, you really shouldn't be using forums. cheers.

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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If the person I actually replied to found it unhelpful they can of course say something and we can have a nice, civil conversation about it where we both learn something. There really isn't a polite way to say this, but it needs to be said: no one asked you. Or j_maffe. Neither of you accomplished anything by butting into a sub-sub-thread that didn't involve you and didn't need your antagonism and ill-tempered presum…

j_maffe here. Sorry if you found this insulting in any way. I wasn't referencing you in particular as several other comments pointed to the very obvious fact that chronological sorting is an algorithm so I was referring to this overarching theme. However, the entire point of a forum is for users to "butt-in" on threads. If you didn't find the reply contributing anything meaningful, you're very much free to not reply.…

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Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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A PDS is an independent data store of everything you’ve done with atproto. If bsky.app shuts down, and you’ve self hosted your PDS (or created one and migrated your records over by replaying them from the network) you could spin up your own copy of bsky and continue on as normal.

The main caveat to this currently is that someone would have to run an alternative to https://plc.directory , and everyone else would have to agree which one to switch to. I'll be a lot more comfortable with atproto once the directory has moved to a non profit like ICANN (as @pfraze mentions), or a different DID method gains wide adoption.

Is this a thing that is easily discoverable in settings where people can choose to use a different directory? OR is this buried and hard to find or know it could be a thing?

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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I central authority with escape hatches is okay, I think. One could start their own DNS server with different records than the ICANN ones, thus ignoring their authority. As long as that possibility exists, it’s fine.

The problem being that once that single authority becomes 'the standard' getting anyone to switch/use any alternative becomes almost impossible There are many alternatives to (ICANN) DNS, but since none have support built into major browsers, they end up being a pain to use, which hampers adoption. The most successful is probably the Onion network and that's far from mainstream.

I don’t think there’s a way to avoid that kind of zipf curve when it comes to “mainstream” as it’s rarely the technical merits that makes something mainstream. The network effect is very strong.

It’s usually the force of large, powerful (or early) organizations.

Realistically I’m okay with a single overwhelming popular entity as long as I, as an individual, can choose have my alternative.

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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well my comment was specifically pointing out that giving someone agency is the opposite of “a problem.” i was pointing out that having options to spend your freetime how and where you like is the literal opposite of forcing you to “the will of a server” or whatever their statement was. to your comment, the ability to keep posts and such is going to vary by which system you’re using, for example: - twitter, absolutel…

"backing up" and data takeouts are not data portability, cause with mastodon you can't actually move posts between servers. so it's like, literally what's the point if you cannot actually move your content and it's gonna be a flush and start new again, which in that regard is no different than moving from one proprietary platform to another

sure, i can see why some might worry about this but like i said in a different comment, for me, most social media, ability to go back and reference years old random conversations just isn’t of any kind of critical “identity”. more important to me is just having a reference of who i’m mutual friends with.

other than some family pictures on insta, i can’t remember the last time i’ve gone back and looked at old conversations. i can imagine why some people might need that, but for Mastodon i mostly use it for chatting with friends or light ephemeral type stuffs.

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Nothing game-changing? How about: • Long-form content • Video streaming • Grok • Ability to edit posts • Bookmarks • Communities • Better verification system • Encrypted direct messages • Cashtag feature • Bold and italic text formatting • Open-sourced algorithm • Premium features • Improved search • Improved analytics for content creators • And most importantly, less First-Amendment violations in secret partnership…

Thanks for the reply! That's a good list. Of those, I would break them down accordingly: - Cool new features - Encrypted direct messages - Video streaming - Ability to edit posts - Communities (IDK what this but it sounds cool) - Bookmarks - Cashtag feature (?) - Improved analytics for content creators - Trivial decisions about policy - Long-form content - Bold and italic text formatting - Untrue, or at least unverif…

I'm not sure what you mean by "Nazi" and "arbitrary moderation." Can you clarify?

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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> BlueSky's big claim is [they have] "no algorithm". https://bsky.social/about/blog/3-30-2023-algorithmic-choice Over a year ago, a blog claiming the opposite > But the actual BlueSky app does not implement DIDs. It's called "did-placeholder" on their github. It's a stub. It's TBD. It's not a feature, it's a feature request. AFAIK People with did:web dids can make accounts and use bluesky > And guess who just bought…

did:web is not a decentralized identifier. My understanding is that it was made for test suites but was taken out of that context for production uses.

While true, it aligns with did:web's goals with relation to services. Something the user can use to port themself across services, without the involvement of an app-specific discovery service.

As a result, if did:web can be well integrated into bluesky itself (it works across AT Proto already AFAIK, just not all parts of Bluesky's GUI, a current pain point), that should open the path to add additional discovery mechanisms like IPNS

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