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Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

#391

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…yes it does make sense? They’re complying within the rules fully, but if they decide the rules are too onerous or compromising on their core mission, the legally correct thing to do is to take their ball and go home. The rest of us not in India don’t want to be affected by the rulings of a Delhi court. If the citizens of India don’t like this outcome, it’s up to them to fix it.

Agreed. Nothing wrong with it. I was just trying to fully understand what the other commenter said. If following the law is such a burden on them then they should by all means pack up and leave. This is also what the Delhi High Court said after Wikipedia chose to ignore its order. This applies to all western institutions and corporations. If the expectation is that, Indian courts and the Indian public should continue…

> If the expectation is that, Indian courts and the Indian public should continue to bend over then that is not going to happen.

That's a pretty aggressive stance on this that is not warranted. Wikipedia is pursuing its mission of providing an uncensored source of information created by an open community for the public. Posing the situation as aggressively as you have makes it seem as if you are the one trying to make someone or something "bend over" (or whatever gross turn of phrase you'd like to use).

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

#392

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Doesn't work, see Brazil vs X. Censorship friendly competitors BlueSky and Threads swooped in and took away X's users and revenue. BlueSky couldn't stop boasting how many users it got from the fiasco, and their posts were highly upvoted on HN and celebrated.

There’s plenty of hate for X on HN and abroad. I don’t think the crowd on HN is going to have the same reaction to Wikimedia taking a hardline stance against censorship. Blocking the world’s foremost encyclopaedia vs blocking an extremely popular gossip app. Sadly, an Indian competitor would appear, probably by ripping off Wikimedia’s own content.

Anyone can copy Wikimedia content. That is explicitly allowed and not ripping anyone off.

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

#393
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This is something I've been curious about for a while. GDPR, IIUC, makes an EU law apply to things that happen inside the US (for example, EU person flies to the US and uses Facebook on US-housed servers with data stored in the US, GDPR apparently considers that in-scope for the law).

> This is something I've been curious about for a while. GDPR, IIUC, makes an EU law apply to things that happen inside the US (for example, EU person flies to the US and uses Facebook on US-housed servers with data stored in the US, GDPR apparently considers that in-scope for the law). That's a common myth. The GDPR doesn't follow citizenship, even if a lot of unofficial guidance wrongly says that. US-based business…

OK, fair enough, thanks for the clarification.

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

#394

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…yes it does make sense? They’re complying within the rules fully, but if they decide the rules are too onerous or compromising on their core mission, the legally correct thing to do is to take their ball and go home. The rest of us not in India don’t want to be affected by the rulings of a Delhi court. If the citizens of India don’t like this outcome, it’s up to them to fix it.

Agreed. Nothing wrong with it. I was just trying to fully understand what the other commenter said. If following the law is such a burden on them then they should by all means pack up and leave. This is also what the Delhi High Court said after Wikipedia chose to ignore its order. This applies to all western institutions and corporations. If the expectation is that, Indian courts and the Indian public should continue…

Ok I’m going to withdraw because I’m a bit confused what you are advocating for.

I initially read:

> Wikipedia should take this out on average Indian citizens, and make them pay because Wikipedia was found to be at fault in a court of law.

> Makes sense

As sarcasm (which I acknowledge is tricky to parse on the internet! But it still strongly reads that way).

But from your later comment that was not the case?

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

#395

As an Indian, you cannot understand the despair this makes me feel. ANI is a bit like privatised Pravda operating in service to the government, yet, still pretending to be independent journalism. Wherever there is a critic of the government, ANI exists to slander such critics as a service. As a discerning reader, you learn to avoid mainstream media that quotes ANI (don't even consider watching a TV channel). You seek…

What you're talking about, trancending government orders, is inherently illegal. Any tech that enables it must be distributed, untrackable, and private. You're basically describing the darknet.

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

#396

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Agreed. Nothing wrong with it. I was just trying to fully understand what the other commenter said. If following the law is such a burden on them then they should by all means pack up and leave. This is also what the Delhi High Court said after Wikipedia chose to ignore its order. This applies to all western institutions and corporations. If the expectation is that, Indian courts and the Indian public should continue…

> If the expectation is that, Indian courts and the Indian public should continue to bend over then that is not going to happen. That's a pretty aggressive stance on this that is not warranted. Wikipedia is pursuing its mission of providing an uncensored source of information created by an open community for the public. Posing the situation as aggressively as you have makes it seem as if you are the one trying to mak…

> (or whatever gross turn of phrase you'd like to use).

This makes it seem like your reply isn't in good faith.

So feel free to twist my words as you please, add your own interpretations to it, and accuse me of whatever you want to accuse me with. I am done discussing this topic with you specifically.

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

#397

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Agreed. Nothing wrong with it. I was just trying to fully understand what the other commenter said. If following the law is such a burden on them then they should by all means pack up and leave. This is also what the Delhi High Court said after Wikipedia chose to ignore its order. This applies to all western institutions and corporations. If the expectation is that, Indian courts and the Indian public should continue…

Ok I’m going to withdraw because I’m a bit confused what you are advocating for. I initially read: > Wikipedia should take this out on average Indian citizens, and make them pay because Wikipedia was found to be at fault in a court of law. > Makes sense As sarcasm (which I acknowledge is tricky to parse on the internet! But it still strongly reads that way). But from your later comment that was not the case?

Missing sarcasm or seeing it when it isn’t there is the bane of forums. Adding a ‘/s’ is lame and detracts from sarcasm.

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

#398

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Agreed. Nothing wrong with it. I was just trying to fully understand what the other commenter said. If following the law is such a burden on them then they should by all means pack up and leave. This is also what the Delhi High Court said after Wikipedia chose to ignore its order. This applies to all western institutions and corporations. If the expectation is that, Indian courts and the Indian public should continue…

Ok I’m going to withdraw because I’m a bit confused what you are advocating for. I initially read: > Wikipedia should take this out on average Indian citizens, and make them pay because Wikipedia was found to be at fault in a court of law. > Makes sense As sarcasm (which I acknowledge is tricky to parse on the internet! But it still strongly reads that way). But from your later comment that was not the case?

I was being sarcastic to the other commenter because I see complete withdrawal of Wikipedia from India as an absurd overreaction to what this case is about. That is what the parent comment is calling for, specifically, I quote "Wikipedia should just block India completely."

As to my reply to your comment, I recognize Wikipedia's right to not conduct their business in India if they chose to do so, for whatever reason. I interpret your comment as saying that there would be nothing wrong in Wikipedia exercising this right - which I agree with. So I stated my point earnestly that while I agree there is nothing wrong in exercising this right. It seems what it amounts to is that either the court rules in their favor, or they withdraw from India. If that is the expectation that India courts should just rule in their favor (even when they are in the wrong), then I am sorry but that is not acceptable.

Hope that clarifies things. Either way, I am going to withdraw from this discussion as well

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

#399

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> if the appeal is not successful and ANI wins, I think Wikipedia should just block India completely. Let me see if I understand this correctly. It seems below is the sequence of events you are advocating for: 1. Wikipedia is allowed to legally represent themselves in the court of law. 2. Court looks at the case presented by ANI and Wikipedia, and decides that ANI is right and Wikipedia is wrong 3. Wikipedia should t…

This ruling seems as corrupt as they go. What kind of untruths did Wikipedia do to cause this to be «defamation»? Step 3 would be to broadcast to all of India this corrupt ruling.

> This ruling seems as corrupt as they go

The defamation case is still ongoing. But I guess any ruling that isn't favoring Wikipedia will automatically be "corrupt"

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

#400
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There are a lot of lessons to learn here 1. The Streisand effect. No-one on HN gave a monkeys about this dodgy news agency till today. Now half of us have read the archive about how they promote propaganda & fake news. Your reputation takes a hit 2. There is no absolute definition of “freedom”. Wikipedia is a fantastic resource for humanity in general and I think should be defended. But as more and more of humanity c…

Wikipedia looks like a fantastic resource, but it's not really a reliable source of information. Everyone can write things there, including people with biases and conflicting interests. Their rules about editing are really annoying and unfair, they don't care about facts. I enjoy reading Wikipedia sometimes, but it's a broken system, a lot of truths missing in it's articles because of crap editors and political propa…

> Wikipedia looks like a fantastic resource, but it's not really a reliable source of information. Everyone can write things there, including people with biases and conflicting interests. Their rules about editing are really annoying and unfair, they don't care about facts.

This is what lecturers and teachers a tell us.

Yet it’s far and away the most accurate and comprehensive resource I know of. When I search the few topics I think I deeply understand, it’s very rarely wrong. I corrected the last error I found. It was a small one and wouldn’t have tripped the unwary.

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