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Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by Sabinus »

mr_toad wrote: post #98
Sabinus wrote: post #5

"Israel has also said that UN forces are being used as a human shield by Hizbollah fighters, which it is fighting near several Unifil posts along the border. It has demanded the UN evacuate its peacekeepers from southern Lebanon for their own safety. Unifil, and the 50 countries that contribute troops to its ranks, have unanimously refused." Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace? Did they let Hezbollah fire rock…

> Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace? They’re outnumbered by 10:1.

By Hezbollah?

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by rendall »

timeon wrote: post #195
rendall wrote: post #141

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Me too, for giving context that the article elided. Flagging is supposed to mean "breaks guidelines" not "disagrees with my outlook". Strange that this is the only topic that inspires such zeal.

Not sure what ware you writing about in this thread. But this does happen in other topics as well.

This was flagged. Whether you're pro- or anti-, be honest: does this contravene any guidelines? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41941235

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by justin66 »

wtcactus wrote: post #151
justin66 wrote: post #41

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> Why aren't the UN troops keeping the peace? They're basically observers when there are any other armed troops present. They have small arms, everybody else has rockets, missiles, or tanks.

Why are they there then? Seems they are willingly serving as human shields to prevent Israel from retaliating against Hezbollah attacks.

Judging from your other comments it seems you’ve bought into the narrative that anyone who would ordinarily be protected by the laws of war is not when their presence inconveniences the IDF. I don’t think I can help you.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by aristofun »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #270
aristofun wrote: post #268

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Why do you think unifil is so crazy about israel even if they’re doing their jod for free?

they have multiple jobs. 1) help disarm Hezbollah, 2) make sure Israel stays out of Lebanon. The area is supposed to be a DMZ and is a warzone instead. Israel's presence highlights the hollow promises and lies of the UN mediated ceasefire that ended the 2006 Lebanon-Israel war.

They failed 1. Which left israel no choice. And now why don’t they use israel help to rix 1? Which would then lead to 2 naturally.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by whamlastxmas »

renegade-otter wrote: post #232
whamlastxmas wrote: post #72

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Multiple recent American presidents also committed war crimes

We can discuss American misadventures and horrible decisions in the aftermath of 9/11, but equating the U.S. military to Russia, which effectively has rape and torture as part of its doctrine, is more than a stretch. To be clear, I totally expected a comment like that, but I can guarantee you 1000% that no Ukrainians will be hanging on to Russian cargo plane wheels once they are booted out.

Guantanamo was and is a thing, there are literally handbooks on how to torture used by the American military. The American military also has a long, rich history of systemic sexual assault. Heck one of my friends was sexually assaulted by a service member to the point of hospitalization and he received no punishment or recourse. I also think reporting on Russian military by western media is largely propaganda, it’s hard to know what’s true and take.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by nielsbot »

edanm wrote: post #182
hbt wrote: post #173

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Though global populations show a larger anti-Israel sentiment, Western media and internet forums don't reflect this balance. Western media often aligns with Israeli perspectives due to strategic alliances, lobbying influence, and media ownership dynamics, framing Israel’s actions as defensive while sidelining broader Arab or Palestinian views. Online, pro-Israel narratives are reinforced by organized digital campaign…

> Though global populations show a larger anti-Israel sentiment, Western media and internet forums don't reflect this balance. I'm not sure you're right. Isn't this a bit hard to judge without first deciding what is true and what constitutes bias ? I'm fairly certain we don't agree with on either of these. Most Israelis consider things like the BBC and the NYT to be biased against Israel. Are you sure they're wrong?

I’d say the media’s attitude towards Israel and Palestine is conveniently summarized in the Ta-Nehisi Coates interview with Tony Dokupil.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by nielsbot »

bobsmooth wrote: post #260
cutler wrote: post #107

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Maybe it's because social media has relayed the truth and Israel can no longer use its grip on western media to conceal its atrocities.

>Jews control the media Bad, terrible, anti-semitic >Israel controls the media Good, woke, socially conscious

What are you talking about?

It’s woke to say Israel controls the media?

The first statement is plainly anti-semitic. (Talking about a people and culture) The second is, arguably, against the Israeli state. Israel is a social and political construct. You can change your mind about being Zionist, for example. It’s not an inherent trait like skin color.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by dunekid »

invalidname wrote: post #239
aguaviva wrote: post #227

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Israel offered a Palestinians a country which included east Jerusalem twice based on US pressure. On which occasions?

There were two separate offers made by Barak to Arafat in 2000 and by Olmert to Abu Mazen in 2008.

So kind of them to offer freedom, and sovereignty, both taken by themselves. What a moral high ground they have! Did they offer reparations too, for the ethnic cleansing in Jaffa, and Haifa, and numerous other villages and cities? I am sure they would even respawn the murdered Palestinian children.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by edanm »

nielsbot wrote: post #276
edanm wrote: post #182

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> Though global populations show a larger anti-Israel sentiment, Western media and internet forums don't reflect this balance. I'm not sure you're right. Isn't this a bit hard to judge without first deciding what is true and what constitutes bias ? I'm fairly certain we don't agree with on either of these. Most Israelis consider things like the BBC and the NYT to be biased against Israel. Are you sure they're wrong?

I’d say the media’s attitude towards Israel and Palestine is conveniently summarized in the Ta-Nehisi Coates interview with Tony Dokupil.

1. That's just one interview, I'm not sure it's actually representative.

2. Even if you think it is, that's just the US media specifically. I agree that they tend to be relatively pro-Israel, especially compared to other countries, but there are other countries.

3. If we accept that this is representative, can we also consider Ta-Nehisi Coates's book itself to be representative of the attitude of "intellectuals" in the US on Israel? As he himself said, he came into the topic biased against Israel, went to the West Bank to "study" the issue for 10 days only, chose not to talk to any Israeli at all to get any other side of the issue, and wrote what is likely to be the highest-selling book this year about the topic.

Not exactly a great example of journalistic rigor, IMO.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by s1artibartfast »

aristofun wrote: post #274
s1artibartfast wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they have multiple jobs. 1) help disarm Hezbollah, 2) make sure Israel stays out of Lebanon. The area is supposed to be a DMZ and is a warzone instead. Israel's presence highlights the hollow promises and lies of the UN mediated ceasefire that ended the 2006 Lebanon-Israel war.

They failed 1. Which left israel no choice. And now why don’t they use israel help to rix 1? Which would then lead to 2 naturally.

They dont get to make these choices. The UN could vote to have them do it, but it wont support Israel.

As it stands Helping Israel is against UNIFIL rules. It can only help the Lebanese government. If the Lebanese gov asked UNIFIL to attack Hezbollah, they could. But the Lebanese gov wont do that either.

This leads to the current state. A UN force too small to do anything hiding in their bases and whining about Israel not staying on their side of the boarder.

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