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Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Bluesky = 13m users, Mastodon = 9m users. Bluesky hasn't released what their DAU/MAUs are but Mastodon's aren't that bad. https://bsky.social/about/blog/10-24-2024-series-a https://mastodon-analytics.com

Can we actually count the number of instances and users on Mastodon (the fediverse)? I have alt accounts in at least two separate "bubbles" of servers that only federate with each other and wouldn't show up in stats like this.

This is a rather tricky question. What does count as the fediverse in the first place?

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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I'm not really sure what the benefit of BS over Mastodon is anyway. Everyone interesting is on Mastodon

Bluesky’s more accessible to the general public. I’m on both, though use Mastodon more (partially due to _far_ better third party clients available); it’s a very different crowd.

How would you describe Bluesky's crowd vs. Mastodon? I found the latter great for finding interesting developers, musicians, artists, etc.

My X is full of people having constant meltdowns or who are just always fighting others, no one really sharing anything interesting.

Haven't tried bluesky bc it was invite only (I assume it isn't anymore if you say it's accessible) and I didn't really care enough to ask for one from someone.

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Bluesky's marketing is rather annoying on my opinion. They're not defederated in practice and they probably never will be, but that's okay. People don't want a new Mastodon, they want a new Twitter after Musk fucked that up worse than ever. Their promises of portability may ring empty but so far their lack of AI algorithm and ad feeds are what people actually come to Bluesky for If you want federation, ActivityPub is…

How did Musk "fuck [Twitter] up worse than ever"? It has more functionality and is more stable since Musk bought it.

Like Facebook, it does not really work for people without account. It did before. So for most people on the internet it has less functionality (if any).

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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You can take your existing network with you, Mastodon has Accounts redirects and follower migrations. Your own content not yet. While Mastodon-the-software has an export function, there is no import as yet. But that is a solvable problem. https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moving/

Does the migration also work if the server I’m migrating from actively wants to prevent me from taking over my stuff? If they ban me from their server because they don’t like me, they aren’t going to set up a redirect for me, right? Is this a real thing that happens?

im not the person you responded to, but i think this worry is mostly just overblown. i dont think most people have this concern. i think some do, but not most.

if its something you're super worried about, you could always do what ive seen some folks do and just like docs, photos, etc..., make a backup. just create a mirror federated account with same follows etc...

its not really something i personally have a need for. to me, the worst that happens is i lose some conversations i had with some friends. i cant remember the last time i looked back at some random tweet i made 3 years ago or whatever...

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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I'm not sure how we can get the point that a centralized seamless UX experience is core to any platform though the thick skulls of people designing decentralized federated services. Lemmy's active user number drops every month and as does Mastodon's by a lesser degree, both failing to get proper traction because they segment and wall off tiny gardens where nothing is happening, making sure that people waste time freq…

> wall off tiny gardens where nothing is happening

This is actually reason why I like Mastodon. There is barely anything happening. I get content from few niches - but I do not need it to be generating something every minute. I have no time for that.

But for people who prefer old Twitter experience, BlueSky is pretty good.

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Unfortunately close to nobody on or has moved to Bluesky cares about it being decentralized, they just want another Twitter that just works. Most of the people on Bluesky that have moved are artists, academics, writers and creative folks that don't care about tech. If they did care about decentralization they would be all going to Mastodon right now, but there isn't any traction there in the millions.

X seems to be working quite well. Especially considering the significant reduction in overhead since Elon's purchase.

Anyone on internet can see this Mastodon post with comments. Unfortunately X is only able to display it all to logged-in users. Old Twitter was able to display it to anyone as well. Seems like X is in austerity mode.

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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> it just creates more entities that will have the same problems (being at will of a server). this isn’t a “problem” that needs to be solved. you’re not “at the will of the server” in a federated environment, its the actual literal opposite. if i don’t like the server operators or if i don’t like the servers it federates with, that’s totally ok. i start my own and federate with who i like. this is a good thing, not a…

"if i don’t like the servers it federates with, that’s totally ok. i start my own and federate with who i like." So everytime you move, can you take your existing network and posts and messages with you, or do you have to start from scratch every time?

well my comment was specifically pointing out that giving someone agency is the opposite of “a problem.” i was pointing out that having options to spend your freetime how and where you like is the literal opposite of forcing you to “the will of a server” or whatever their statement was.

to your comment, the ability to keep posts and such is going to vary by which system you’re using, for example:

- twitter, absolutely not. they want to force you to spend your free time around whoever they say. and they absolutely want to make it difficult for you to have freedom to leave or the freedom to associate. in the before times there were sites you could use to move your contacts and follow the same people on Mastodon. elon hated the idea of people having freedom so he shut that down shortly after he took power. for this reason i recommend people start manually building their contacts on other sites now so the move will be easier once you’re ready.

- threads, im not familiar enough with it yet to say for sure. i have a couple of accounts there but honestly, ill never use them, its zuckerberg… facebook… no thanks. been burned too many times by these people.

- Mastodon, almost entirely yes. you can backup and download both your posts and your contacts. i dont worry too much about it, but if it’s something you’re super worried about just do like we all do with photos, docs, etc… keep a backup. i know some people keep a backup federated account mirroring follows, etc… for worst case scenarios. i occasionally download my follows and posts, but im not really too worried about it.

- bluesky, yep. i love blue sky but for different reasons from Mastodon, i use them both all day long. just for different reasons. blue sky doesn’t at all have the same quality of community as Mastodon or even hn. it’s nice, but its not community focused. its more like twitter before eternal september took over. at the end of the day tho, i don’t have a lot of hope for it, the VC people will definitely figure out a way to ruin it.

but to bring it back to my original comment: the important part is that we have the agency to utilize freedom of movement and association. it should creep you out when someone tries to convince you that having agency is a problem. having freedom to jump from place to place, server to server, community to community is a good thing and its crazy when these people keep attempting to convince us that jumping around is "a problem".

when someone tries to force you to spend your playtime somewhere you don’t want to be, or when they try to convince you “no, you should want to be around eric especially when he’s a dickbag.” that should make your hair stand up with red flags. and that’s what these people have been trying to convince us for years—“noooo, why would you want to spend your free time somewhere else having fun? dont go enjoy yourself! you want to be here! no one here likes each other and everyone is screaming at each other! thats what you really want to do with your freetime!”

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Bluesky’s more accessible to the general public. I’m on both, though use Mastodon more (partially due to _far_ better third party clients available); it’s a very different crowd.

How would you describe Bluesky's crowd vs. Mastodon? I found the latter great for finding interesting developers, musicians, artists, etc. My X is full of people having constant meltdowns or who are just always fighting others, no one really sharing anything interesting. Haven't tried bluesky bc it was invite only (I assume it isn't anymore if you say it's accessible) and I didn't really care enough to ask for one fr…

bsky is open to anyone, and has been for a while now, that’s correct.

Re: Bluesky Is Not Decentralized

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Not sure how it is better than Threads. At least Meta is delivering on their promise to integrate with Mastodon and move us closer to decentralised social networks.

I have hard time believing Meta since both Facebook and Instagram are not open to public. But time will tell.
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