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Re: On Linux MAINTAINERS file removal of Russian developers

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Post by chikere232 »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #13

If certain people cannot contribute to the Linux kernel because of a list maintained by the USG then perhaps it's time for Linux kernel development to no longer be dependent on US law. We should realize this has nothing to do with Russia or the Russian government. This could happen with any country and any group of people. The USG is constantly expanding their sanctions regime. Thus, we need to ask ourselves the obvi…

Sanctioning russia for invading ukraine isn't exactly an arbitrary power trip. Complying with such sanctions is the morally right thing to do here

Re: On Linux MAINTAINERS file removal of Russian developers

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Post by perihelions »

JSDevOps wrote: post #8

What I don’t understand is there must be tonnes more Russian maintainers and contributors to this? What’s the score there?

That's because the sanctioned entities are individual Russian companies on the OFAC list, not Russian citizens generally. All of the initial media reporting (speculation, really) turned out to be wrong (because of deliberate non-transparency on the part of Torvalds, in his public statements).

https://lwn.net/ml/all/7ee74c1b5b589619a13c6318c9fbd0d6ac7c3...

- "We finally got clearance to publish the actual advice: If your company is on the U.S. OFAC SDN lists, subject to an OFAC sanctions program, or owned/controlled by a company on the list, our ability to collaborate with you will be subject to restrictions, and you cannot be in the MAINTAINERS file."

Re: On Linux MAINTAINERS file removal of Russian developers

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Post by sligor »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #13

If certain people cannot contribute to the Linux kernel because of a list maintained by the USG then perhaps it's time for Linux kernel development to no longer be dependent on US law. We should realize this has nothing to do with Russia or the Russian government. This could happen with any country and any group of people. The USG is constantly expanding their sanctions regime. Thus, we need to ask ourselves the obvi…

> If certain people cannot contribute to the Linux kernel

You don't need at all to be an official maintainer to contribute to Linux

Re: On Linux MAINTAINERS file removal of Russian developers

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Post by mdp2021 »

chikere232 wrote: post #16

At this point I kinda have to assume posts like these are just concern trolling and aren't really worth taking seriously If it's genuinely naive, this is a great time to wake up to the fact that russia is conducting a war of conquest against a european country, and this is why they, and a bunch of companies associated with that, are being sanctioned. Why would any reasonable project try to circumvent such sanctions?

Also in other articles, it was not clear why those individuals were targeted, and it seemed it could be just because of the passport.

(It seems, from other sources, that it is because of their employer.)

Re: On Linux MAINTAINERS file removal of Russian developers

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Post by perihelions »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #13

If certain people cannot contribute to the Linux kernel because of a list maintained by the USG then perhaps it's time for Linux kernel development to no longer be dependent on US law. We should realize this has nothing to do with Russia or the Russian government. This could happen with any country and any group of people. The USG is constantly expanding their sanctions regime. Thus, we need to ask ourselves the obvi…

- "This could happen with any country and any group of people."

The OFAC SDN list once included the ICC (as diplomatic retaliation for ICC judges investigating US war crimes in Afghanistan),

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54003527 ("International Criminal Court officials sanctioned by US")

Morality aside, there's about zero legal process behind it: it's just a unilateral power of the executive. Any sitting president can do this to any non-American entity they want.

Re: On Linux MAINTAINERS file removal of Russian developers

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Post by mdp2021 »

indulona wrote: post #24

> And no, I am of course not a friend of the Russian government at all. They are committing war crimes, no doubt about it. No reason to read. Guy complains about linux getting political while he himself is unable to not be.

He is just declaring his doubts are about the specific action and not against the general intention.

Re: On Linux MAINTAINERS file removal of Russian developers

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Post by phoe-krk »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #13

If certain people cannot contribute to the Linux kernel because of a list maintained by the USG then perhaps it's time for Linux kernel development to no longer be dependent on US law. We should realize this has nothing to do with Russia or the Russian government. This could happen with any country and any group of people. The USG is constantly expanding their sanctions regime. Thus, we need to ask ourselves the obvi…

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Re: On Linux MAINTAINERS file removal of Russian developers

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Post by throwaway13337 »

It's people that work for Russian state owned companies - not just Russians in general.

A lot of the discourse wants to muddy the water to make it sound like it is against all those of Russian background - it is not.

Russian people are not the Russian state. Blurring the lines only polarizes which, I imagine, is often the intent.

This article's framing is disingenuous.

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